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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8194325" data-attributes="member: 6987520">This is the point apparently this discussion we'll never come to a meeting on... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />Even under the specific rules for special movement, I am justified:<h4>Climbing, Swimming, and Crawling</h4>Each foot of movement costs 1 extra foot (2 extra feet in difficult terrain) when you’re climbing, swimming, or crawling. You ignore this extra cost if you have a climbing speed and use it to climb, or a swimming speed and use it to swim. At the DM’s option, climbing a slippery vertical surface or one with few handholds requires a successful Strength (Athletics) check. Similarly, gaining any distance in rough water might require a successful Strength (Athletics) check.The italicized part is two specific examples of times when the DM can call for a check. Are those the ONLY situations when you think the DM can ask for a check? Of course not!But then you say, "Well, if you throw in other factors, like a time constraint, then you can call for a check." Why? That isn't in those examples. Such a ruling is part of the general rules and the specific rules don't include them so by the logic, since time constraint isn't part of the specific ruling, you should be able to call for a check.Anyway, in the specific ruling, condition examples are only "slippery vertical surface", "one with few handholds", "rough water". That's it. Nothing else. Not "time limit", "arrows shooting at you", "storm and high winds", or anything else. I guess that means a slippery "non-vertical" surface, like an icy mountain, won't require a check, huh? I guess that means a crumbling wall won't call for a check, either?My point is, as it has always been, that everything after "At the DM's option" are just examples of conditions when the DM can ask for a check. Nothing says extreme height (as defined by the DM) isn't a similar example of those conditions. You might not think so, but I do, and that makes it part of the specific rule IMO.So, I am not "disregarding" the specific rule as you say. I am implementing it. If you don't agree with that, that's fine, but then there is no point in continuing the conversation.  <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷‍♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" title="Man shrugging    :man_shrugging:" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />The funny thing is we mostly agree on this. Those are the rules. We just read them differently.IMO making an 80-foot climb does have a chance for success, it does have a chance for failure, and it does have a meaningful consequence in both cases (you either make the climb and get into the tower or you don't, possibly falling and taking damage, maybe even dying!--pretty meaningful in the normal sense...).Where we disagree is that climbing any length of rope shouldn't require a check. For you, the outcome is already decided so no need for a check. But you can fail at it and people do. Maybe in your game PCs never should, maybe no one ever should. After all, according to you:But really, I as stated above, only those two factors can interfere with a climb, unless you read them as examples... Which is what I am doing, and another example is an extreme climb.Unfortunately, like with others, we will never agree on this. What bothers me is that posters seem to feel their interpretation of the rules must be the correct one, while it is only theirs--even if shared. I've never said that you or others are wrong for not calling for a check, just that I would call for one. But you seem to think I am not following the rules by asking for one... too bad, since it is my option as DM if I deem the height a complicating factor (doesn't matter how it complicates it -- fear, endurance, whatever).So, gentlepeople, I am done. I can't express myself any more effectively and if you insist I am "not following the specific rule", that's on you.See you around the forum... maybe we'll agree elsewhere. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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