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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8195977" data-attributes="member: 6779196">By strict RAW, I would say this is correct. If we treat pushing past one’s limits to climb a greater distance as equivalent to a forced march, technically a Con save shouldn’t be required until the 9th hour of climbing in a day, which would be between 9 and 18 miles of climbing depending on “travel pace.” However, I think the better call here might be to disregard the specific rules for forced marches and call for a Con save based more on when it’s dramatically appropriate rather than when a certain distance has been exceeded.Also, for the Princess Bride scene, I would say Fezik was encumbered by carrying three people, reducing his speed and allowing Westly to gain on them despite them having a head start. When they cut the rope, Westly had to make a Dex save to catch himself and avoid falling. And at that point he had to start making Strength (Athletics) checks to make progress due to the loose rocks creating unstable footing, and would have fallen on a fail by 5 or more. Meanwhile there was time pressure in the form of Visini making progress towards Gilder, where he would have killed Buttercup if he had gotten there before Westly caught up.</blockquote>