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<blockquote data-quote="Xetheral" data-source="post: 8198474" data-attributes="member: 6802765">I agree at the conceptual level with the first part, I just think the rules leave it up to the DM to decide what meets those conditions. Where I think the relevance of real-world comparisons comes into play is when trying to weigh the relative strength of two possible rules interpretations. If one rules interpretation would trivially allow climbing/swimming rates or durations that would be out of place in the real world, and the competing rules interpretation does not have that inconsistency, then personally I'm going to consider that as evidence weighing in favor of the latter interpretation. As expressed above, I'm fine if other people want to weigh the evidentiary value of the real world comparison differently than I do, in either direction.I totally agree. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I think we'd disagree on whether the argument in favor of swimming or climbing for up to 8 hours, (in armor and with a normal load) with no check qualifies as such an argument.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Xetheral, post: 8198474, member: 6802765"] I agree at the conceptual level with the first part, I just think the rules leave it up to the DM to decide what meets those conditions. Where I think the relevance of real-world comparisons comes into play is when trying to weigh the relative strength of two possible rules interpretations. If one rules interpretation would trivially allow climbing/swimming rates or durations that would be out of place in the real world, and the competing rules interpretation does not have that inconsistency, then personally I'm going to consider that as evidence weighing in favor of the latter interpretation. As expressed above, I'm fine if other people want to weigh the evidentiary value of the real world comparison differently than I do, in either direction. I totally agree. :) I think we'd disagree on whether the argument in favor of swimming or climbing for up to 8 hours, (in armor and with a normal load) with no check qualifies as such an argument. [/QUOTE]

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