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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8200581" data-attributes="member: 23751">Right.&nbsp; The movement rules are general, not specific.&nbsp; They are the general rules on movement(which includes swimming and climbing), and teleport would be an example of specific rule that supersedes them.&nbsp; The general rules on ability checks are also general.&nbsp; Neither one commands authority over the other.&nbsp; There is a more specific rule on swimming long distance that affects the general movement rules, but neither the movement and swimming distance rules conflict with or prevent the DM from requiring an ability check if he thinks one is called for.If a PC comes to a pond, the DM can say that the PC gets across using the swimming rules and it just takes longer than walking.&nbsp; If the same PC comes across a 2 mile lake and tries to swim across, the DM can use those swimming rules combined with the con save for distance OR the swimming rules, con save and a strength athletics check for swimming OR the swimming rules, the con save and a con athletics check.&nbsp; All of those are acceptable within the rules as written.&nbsp; It just depends on how the particular DM views the challenge, consequences for failure, etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8200581, member: 23751"] Right. The movement rules are general, not specific. They are the general rules on movement(which includes swimming and climbing), and teleport would be an example of specific rule that supersedes them. The general rules on ability checks are also general. Neither one commands authority over the other. There is a more specific rule on swimming long distance that affects the general movement rules, but neither the movement and swimming distance rules conflict with or prevent the DM from requiring an ability check if he thinks one is called for. If a PC comes to a pond, the DM can say that the PC gets across using the swimming rules and it just takes longer than walking. If the same PC comes across a 2 mile lake and tries to swim across, the DM can use those swimming rules combined with the con save for distance OR the swimming rules, con save and a strength athletics check for swimming OR the swimming rules, the con save and a con athletics check. All of those are acceptable within the rules as written. It just depends on how the particular DM views the challenge, consequences for failure, etc. [/QUOTE]

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