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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 8201303" data-attributes="member: 97077">That's not what they're called though, just so you're clear on that point. There are ability checks to which a skill or tool proficiency may or may not apply. There are no &quot;skill ability checks.&quot;There are general rules for climbing in Chapter 8 - it's effectively half your speed to do so. Given certain difficult situations, a DM may call for a Strength (Athletics) check. That is the specific rule for climbing. The dispute is whether the length of the climb is such a difficult situation. I would say it isn't and that the general rules apply (or I would just establish a difficult situation as I've shown). Others say it does count. If I wanted to make the length of the climb relevant to the challenge, I might consider a Constitution check to see if the character can push past his or her normal limits. The Athletics proficiency might be added to this where it makes sense to do so and if the group is employing the variant rule for Skills with Different Abilities. But, again, this is asking and answering a different question.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 8201303, member: 97077"] That's not what they're called though, just so you're clear on that point. There are ability checks to which a skill or tool proficiency may or may not apply. There are no "skill ability checks." There are general rules for climbing in Chapter 8 - it's effectively half your speed to do so. Given certain difficult situations, a DM may call for a Strength (Athletics) check. That is the specific rule for climbing. The dispute is whether the length of the climb is such a difficult situation. I would say it isn't and that the general rules apply (or I would just establish a difficult situation as I've shown). Others say it does count. If I wanted to make the length of the climb relevant to the challenge, I might consider a Constitution check to see if the character can push past his or her normal limits. The Athletics proficiency might be added to this where it makes sense to do so and if the group is employing the variant rule for Skills with Different Abilities. But, again, this is asking and answering a different question. [/QUOTE]

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