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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 8201612" data-attributes="member: 97077">The DM in the guide describes the cliffs as sheer and slippery, which establishes the difficult situation that might make a Strength (Athletics) check appropriate. The DM then establishes the stakes - what happens with a successful check and with a failed check. Respectively, that is you make it to the top no problem or you make it to the top and you're attacked by birds. Failure can be adjudicated into no progress or progress combined with a setback according to the rules for ability checks. This is an example of the latter, since the DM didn't want to include the possibility in the adjudication of not making it to the top.I haven't read the guide in full since I wrote it almost 6 years ago, but there are probably multiple instances of progress combined with a setback in there which I think a lot of DMs do not understand well. Lacking this skill is what leads to a lot of &quot;secret rolls&quot; for example.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 8201612, member: 97077"] The DM in the guide describes the cliffs as sheer and slippery, which establishes the difficult situation that might make a Strength (Athletics) check appropriate. The DM then establishes the stakes - what happens with a successful check and with a failed check. Respectively, that is you make it to the top no problem or you make it to the top and you're attacked by birds. Failure can be adjudicated into no progress or [I]progress combined with a setback[/I] according to the rules for ability checks. This is an example of the latter, since the DM didn't want to include the possibility in the adjudication of not making it to the top. I haven't read the guide in full since I wrote it almost 6 years ago, but there are probably multiple instances of progress combined with a setback in there which I think a lot of DMs do not understand well. Lacking this skill is what leads to a lot of "secret rolls" for example. [/QUOTE]

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