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<blockquote data-quote="auburn2" data-source="post: 8201380" data-attributes="member: 6855259">For the combat example here is the way I run it as a DM -&nbsp; explain how you are going to remain unseen.&nbsp; If the explanation is really good I will let the attack go.&nbsp; It is amazing the creativity players will use when presented with that scenario.&nbsp; Depending on what they say I will&nbsp; say &quot;no you are seen&quot;, &quot;you get advantage&quot; or &quot;I will let you roll another stealth check, if you succeed you have advantage&quot;As far as out of combat, passive perception is always on but you do not need to be obscured to make use of hide.&nbsp; If you are trying to be stealthy your stealth is compared to the enemies passive perception and the enemy is compared to yours.&nbsp; That strongly implies always on.&nbsp; The difference here is you do not need to be obscured, you can't stay alert for danger and that is why it is possible to sneak up on someone even though you are visible.&nbsp; Depending on the conditions the DM might apply advantage or disadvantage or a modifier to the roll, but in general it is far easier to be go unnoticed out of combat than in combat and this is reflective of days, hours etc.Regarding search that is an action and does not use passive perception, the person using search rolls active perception.&nbsp; If he rolls less than the stealth check you are right, he is not &quot;more hidden&quot;.&nbsp; In this respect it is a wasted action, like an attack that misses.&nbsp; But if he rolls higher than passive perception (typically 10) then you could be found.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="auburn2, post: 8201380, member: 6855259"] For the combat example here is the way I run it as a DM - explain how you are going to remain unseen. If the explanation is really good I will let the attack go. It is amazing the creativity players will use when presented with that scenario. Depending on what they say I will say "no you are seen", "you get advantage" or "I will let you roll another stealth check, if you succeed you have advantage" As far as out of combat, passive perception is always on but you do not need to be obscured to make use of hide. If you are trying to be stealthy your stealth is compared to the enemies passive perception and the enemy is compared to yours. That strongly implies always on. The difference here is you do not need to be obscured, you can't stay alert for danger and that is why it is possible to sneak up on someone even though you are visible. Depending on the conditions the DM might apply advantage or disadvantage or a modifier to the roll, but in general it is far easier to be go unnoticed out of combat than in combat and this is reflective of days, hours etc. Regarding search that is an action and does not use passive perception, the person using search rolls active perception. If he rolls less than the stealth check you are right, he is not "more hidden". In this respect it is a wasted action, like an attack that misses. But if he rolls higher than passive perception (typically 10) then you could be found. [/QUOTE]

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