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Cloak of Elvenkind - Advantage to Stealth AND -5 to passive perception?
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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8203259" data-attributes="member: 71699"><p>Not quite. The elf could have instead been moving quietly, out of sight. Having made their Dexterity (Stealth) check, they are unseen and unheard... even if they are moving. The paradoxical thing about stealth (and one of the hesitations you can see in the design choices) is that this is different from just magical fiat unseen and unheard: it has a threshold.</p><p></p><p>Say they rolled 15, and they are out of sight. Creature A with passive Perception 14 can't hear them. Creature B with passive Perception 15 can hear them, and thus knows their location.</p><p></p><p>The only time it would be possible to locate a creature with sight alone would be if it was not out of sight - i.e. in connection with Mask of the Wild or Skulker - and in such circumstances the searcher is very often going to have disadvantage anyway. I think your long grass example offers one of the few cases where the second function of the cloak itself might matter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 8203259, member: 71699"] Not quite. The elf could have instead been moving quietly, out of sight. Having made their Dexterity (Stealth) check, they are unseen and unheard... even if they are moving. The paradoxical thing about stealth (and one of the hesitations you can see in the design choices) is that this is different from just magical fiat unseen and unheard: it has a threshold. Say they rolled 15, and they are out of sight. Creature A with passive Perception 14 can't hear them. Creature B with passive Perception 15 can hear them, and thus knows their location. The only time it would be possible to locate a creature with sight alone would be if it was not out of sight - i.e. in connection with Mask of the Wild or Skulker - and in such circumstances the searcher is very often going to have disadvantage anyway. I think your long grass example offers one of the few cases where the second function of the cloak itself might matter. [/QUOTE]
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