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Cloak of Elvenkind - Advantage to Stealth AND -5 to passive perception?
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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 8208412" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>No, you're not reading the rules as a whole.</p><p></p><p>The rule is you must be unable to be seen clearly in order to Hide. That's why you generally need total cover or total obscurement in order to Hide (unless you're a Skulker, Halfing or Wood Elf etc and you have a special rule that lets you), or to remain hidden.</p><p></p><p>Light obscurement does not count as 'not being seen clearly' (unless you have a special rule that lets it count) otherwise those special rules that let you hide and remain hidden in light obscurement such as Skulker or Mask of the Wild are redundant and superfluous.</p><p></p><p>And the rule is if you leave your hiding spot/ something you can Hide behind (total cover or total obscurement, unless you have a special rule that lets you hide behind something else) you are automatically noticed as creatures are assumed to be aware of their surroundings.</p><p></p><p>If you're hiding behind a crate in a dimly lit 30' hallway (a hallway which is under direct observation by a creature at the end of the hallway) you are automatically noticed by that creature as soon as you walk around from behind the crate.</p><p></p><p>It's not a ruling, its the rule. Otherwise Skulker (which contains a rule that lets you hide in such circumstances) does nothing.</p><p></p><p>You can see someone 'clearly' in dim light, light rain or light snow. They are standing there right in front of you and you can clearly see them, shadows obscuring fine details, snow falling on their hair, or wet from the rain or whatever. You can see them clearly enough to thwart their attempts at hiding from you in that light obscurement UNLESS the hiding creature has a special rule that specifically lets them hide in such conditions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 8208412, member: 6788736"] No, you're not reading the rules as a whole. The rule is you must be unable to be seen clearly in order to Hide. That's why you generally need total cover or total obscurement in order to Hide (unless you're a Skulker, Halfing or Wood Elf etc and you have a special rule that lets you), or to remain hidden. Light obscurement does not count as 'not being seen clearly' (unless you have a special rule that lets it count) otherwise those special rules that let you hide and remain hidden in light obscurement such as Skulker or Mask of the Wild are redundant and superfluous. And the rule is if you leave your hiding spot/ something you can Hide behind (total cover or total obscurement, unless you have a special rule that lets you hide behind something else) you are automatically noticed as creatures are assumed to be aware of their surroundings. If you're hiding behind a crate in a dimly lit 30' hallway (a hallway which is under direct observation by a creature at the end of the hallway) you are automatically noticed by that creature as soon as you walk around from behind the crate. It's not a ruling, its the rule. Otherwise Skulker (which contains a rule that lets you hide in such circumstances) does nothing. You can see someone 'clearly' in dim light, light rain or light snow. They are standing there right in front of you and you can clearly see them, shadows obscuring fine details, snow falling on their hair, or wet from the rain or whatever. You can see them clearly enough to thwart their attempts at hiding from you in that light obscurement UNLESS the hiding creature has a special rule that specifically lets them hide in such conditions. [/QUOTE]
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