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Cloak of Elvenkind - Advantage to Stealth AND -5 to passive perception?
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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 8212137" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>Not relevant because N reveals himself as soon as he comes out of hiding <strong>into a place he cannot hide</strong> (light obscurement).</p><p></p><p>If N was a Wood Elf, it would be a different story. He would not reveal himself when he left his hiding spot behind the tree and approached C in the light rain due to Mask of the Wild. He could walk straight up to C and C does not get a Perception check unless he takes the Search action to locate N.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes he <em>has </em>come out of hiding. He cant hide in light obscurement any more than he can hide in bright sunlight.</p><p></p><p>The rule is, <strong>as soon as you leave a hiding spot (i.e. enter a place you cannot hide) you automatically reveal yourself </strong>UNLESS the creature you're hiding from is 'distracted'.</p><p></p><p>C is NOT distracted. He is closely observing the area.</p><p></p><p>No, the rules are clear.</p><p></p><p>As soon as N leaves his hiding spot, and enters an area he cannot hide, he is automatically noticed by C unless the DM rules that C is 'distracted' (i.e. looking the other way).</p><p></p><p>Your interpretation leads to the absurd scenario where 20 creatures hidden in a distant room, could walk down a 30' long and 10' wide hallway which is under direct observation (by a creature with darkvision and relying on that vision to see in the darkness) standing at the end of that hallway, and walk straight past that creature.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 8212137, member: 6788736"] Not relevant because N reveals himself as soon as he comes out of hiding [B]into a place he cannot hide[/B] (light obscurement). If N was a Wood Elf, it would be a different story. He would not reveal himself when he left his hiding spot behind the tree and approached C in the light rain due to Mask of the Wild. He could walk straight up to C and C does not get a Perception check unless he takes the Search action to locate N. Yes he [I]has [/I]come out of hiding. He cant hide in light obscurement any more than he can hide in bright sunlight. The rule is, [B]as soon as you leave a hiding spot (i.e. enter a place you cannot hide) you automatically reveal yourself [/B]UNLESS the creature you're hiding from is 'distracted'. C is NOT distracted. He is closely observing the area. No, the rules are clear. As soon as N leaves his hiding spot, and enters an area he cannot hide, he is automatically noticed by C unless the DM rules that C is 'distracted' (i.e. looking the other way). Your interpretation leads to the absurd scenario where 20 creatures hidden in a distant room, could walk down a 30' long and 10' wide hallway which is under direct observation (by a creature with darkvision and relying on that vision to see in the darkness) standing at the end of that hallway, and walk straight past that creature. [/QUOTE]
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