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Cloak of Elvenkind - Advantage to Stealth AND -5 to passive perception?
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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 8212360" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>Different.</p><p></p><p>By seeing clearly, they mean akin to looking through NVG's at night, or standing in light fog or heavy rain.</p><p></p><p>You can see things clearly enough to thwart them hiding from you in the rain or fog or NVG light, but you cant make out finer details, and past a a hundred feet or so, you cant see anything at all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You have disadvantage on perception checks that rely on sight vs a creature in dim light. In darkness (or vs an <em>invisible </em>creature) you can’t see and thus <strong>automatically fail any ability check that requires sight</strong> (see the blinded condition).</p><p></p><p>Perception isnt just sight though, and its not just seeing the <em>invisible </em>+ hidden creature itself (such a check would simply fail) but also includes signs of its passage (footprints, splashes in puddles etc).</p><p></p><p>[USER=6777378]@Iry[/USER] would have you believe (among the other bizarre and absurd outcomes of his 'interpretation') that should C be trying to detect N (who is <em>somehow </em>hidden in light obscurement despite having no special ability that lets him), and N was wearing a Cloak of Elvenkind, C gets disadvantage on his Perception check due to both the cloak and the fact he is in Dim light, (because C <strong>can see </strong>N, both those effects trigger), but at the same time C also <strong>cant see</strong> N clearly enough to stop N from being hidden.</p><p></p><p>N is existing in a state of quantum superposition, both seen and not seen, hidden and not hidden, all at the same time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 8212360, member: 6788736"] Different. By seeing clearly, they mean akin to looking through NVG's at night, or standing in light fog or heavy rain. You can see things clearly enough to thwart them hiding from you in the rain or fog or NVG light, but you cant make out finer details, and past a a hundred feet or so, you cant see anything at all. You have disadvantage on perception checks that rely on sight vs a creature in dim light. In darkness (or vs an [I]invisible [/I]creature) you can’t see and thus [B]automatically fail any ability check that requires sight[/B] (see the blinded condition). Perception isnt just sight though, and its not just seeing the [I]invisible [/I]+ hidden creature itself (such a check would simply fail) but also includes signs of its passage (footprints, splashes in puddles etc). [USER=6777378]@Iry[/USER] would have you believe (among the other bizarre and absurd outcomes of his 'interpretation') that should C be trying to detect N (who is [I]somehow [/I]hidden in light obscurement despite having no special ability that lets him), and N was wearing a Cloak of Elvenkind, C gets disadvantage on his Perception check due to both the cloak and the fact he is in Dim light, (because C [B]can see [/B]N, both those effects trigger), but at the same time C also [B]cant see[/B] N clearly enough to stop N from being hidden. N is existing in a state of quantum superposition, both seen and not seen, hidden and not hidden, all at the same time. [/QUOTE]
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