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Cloak of Elvenkind - Advantage to Stealth AND -5 to passive perception?
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<blockquote data-quote="Xetheral" data-source="post: 8213588" data-attributes="member: 6802765"><p>Personally, I don't read the rules as creating a distinction between hiding and staying hidden. If the designers had intended such a distinction it would have been really straightforward to do so explicitly, using language similar to the blog you quoted. That they didn't do so I consider strong persuasive evidence that such a distinction wasn't intended.</p><p></p><p>That said, the designers have been explicit that the stealth rules are vague on purpose, and I think it's plausible that the designers could have intentionally written the rules broadly enough to permit the DM to make such a distinction. I don't see any evidence suggesting that they actually had such a distinction in mind, but it's certainly possible.</p><p></p><p>Also, given that [USER=6777378]@Iry[/USER] and the blogger you quoted (and others over years of discussing the stealth rules) have inferred from the rules a distinction between hiding and remaining hidden, evidently the rules can indeed be read as creating such an inference, even though I don't think that's the strongest reading.</p><p></p><p>Ergo, whether the possibility for the distinction was created deliberately by the designers, or is simply a side effect of the fact that deliberately vague rules can be read a multitude of ways, I don't think it's reasonable to conclude that [USER=6777378]@Iry[/USER]'s approach is contradicted by the text.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Xetheral, post: 8213588, member: 6802765"] Personally, I don't read the rules as creating a distinction between hiding and staying hidden. If the designers had intended such a distinction it would have been really straightforward to do so explicitly, using language similar to the blog you quoted. That they didn't do so I consider strong persuasive evidence that such a distinction wasn't intended. That said, the designers have been explicit that the stealth rules are vague on purpose, and I think it's plausible that the designers could have intentionally written the rules broadly enough to permit the DM to make such a distinction. I don't see any evidence suggesting that they actually had such a distinction in mind, but it's certainly possible. Also, given that [USER=6777378]@Iry[/USER] and the blogger you quoted (and others over years of discussing the stealth rules) have inferred from the rules a distinction between hiding and remaining hidden, evidently the rules can indeed be read as creating such an inference, even though I don't think that's the strongest reading. Ergo, whether the possibility for the distinction was created deliberately by the designers, or is simply a side effect of the fact that deliberately vague rules can be read a multitude of ways, I don't think it's reasonable to conclude that [USER=6777378]@Iry[/USER]'s approach is contradicted by the text. [/QUOTE]
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