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Cloak of Elvenkind - Advantage to Stealth AND -5 to passive perception?
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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 8221272" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>Not for every task requiring perceiving something you dont.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it isnt.</p><p></p><p>The common interpretation of 'rely' is 'is this sense the central/main pillar.'</p><p></p><p>In most cases when detecting a hidden creature, seeing that creature is not the main sense used (and in many cases it's not used at all).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Your interpretation leads to a Perception check (via the Search action) to detect this creature being made normally, as long as you dont turn around and look at them and listen only, relying on hearing.</p><p></p><p>However if the observer instead turned around, and stared straight at the hidden creature using sight <em>and </em>hearing (presume the 'sneaker' is a Skulker in dim light) the observer suddenly gets disadvantage to the Perception check, due to dim light.</p><p></p><p>Heck, all I need to do to thwart your ruling is close my eyes when I need to make a perception check. Then I am not relying on sight at all, and I make the check normally.</p><p></p><p>So your interpretation is wrong.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 8221272, member: 6788736"] Not for every task requiring perceiving something you dont. No, it isnt. The common interpretation of 'rely' is 'is this sense the central/main pillar.' In most cases when detecting a hidden creature, seeing that creature is not the main sense used (and in many cases it's not used at all). Your interpretation leads to a Perception check (via the Search action) to detect this creature being made normally, as long as you dont turn around and look at them and listen only, relying on hearing. However if the observer instead turned around, and stared straight at the hidden creature using sight [I]and [/I]hearing (presume the 'sneaker' is a Skulker in dim light) the observer suddenly gets disadvantage to the Perception check, due to dim light. Heck, all I need to do to thwart your ruling is close my eyes when I need to make a perception check. Then I am not relying on sight at all, and I make the check normally. So your interpretation is wrong. [/QUOTE]
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