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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zurai" data-source="post: 4287842" data-attributes="member: 52324">Again, that's fine for house rules, but it's not how invisibility works in 4E. You only know direction to an invisible creature/character if you beat their Stealth check - though, as I mentioned, the creature would know which square Invisi-Ranger started the fight in.Invisi-Ranger can attack from as far away as 45 squares. Orcus's attacks that can break invisibility can only hit from 4 squares away.Invisi-Ranger moves as fast as Orcus does, and Orcus mostly doesn't know where Invisi-Ranger is. Not knowing where whatever you're running from is located makes it hard to run away from it.The lich vestiges have no chance at all to hit Invisi-Ranger. I-R can take a few turns to pretty much auto-kill all 8 vestiges (Designate each as a Quarry thanks to Battlefield Archer, then use the BA daily attack power to attack every quarry). The Atropals can never even detect I-R, so they have to randomly come within 5 squares of him to damage him, and even if both of them AND Orcus were all within Aura range of I-R, similar auras do not stack. Check the rules. 3 auras all doing 10 necrotic damage deal a grand total of 10 necrotic damage per round, not 30. The atropals are a complete nonfactor.That's all Orcus needs to do to defeat any attack, though. It's not a counter to Invisi-Ranger, it's a house rule that prevents him from ever dieing to any attack at all. Orcus has no ability to summon any creatures. There are creatures that have the ability to summon allies (Pit Fiends, for example), and Orcus is not one of them.Again, though... THIS IS NOT ABOUT ORCUS. It's about an item that makes characters essentially invulnerable to 90% of the monsters in the MM. Why would any character ever take any neck slot item OTHER than a Cloak of Invisibility? Hell, it's not even a level 30 item! Compare a Cloak of Invis to a Cloak of Invuln. The Invuln cloak is a million gold more and far, far, far less effective against the vast majority of enemies.</blockquote>

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