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<blockquote data-quote="Destil" data-source="post: 4292427" data-attributes="member: 1980">A) Fighters, Rangers (Two-Weapon Str &amp; Con based), Wizards, Warlords, Warlocks, Clerics and Paladins are all rather viable for 8 Dex. Meaning 10 at Epic.B) Armor Check. Plenty of people will not be starting at +0C) There's enough feats that skill training can not be a given.D) You need way more than skill training. The other stealth related feats take out huge penalties and let you move fast. Strip all of those, and the ranger stealth / mobility powers, and pinpointing your guy is a lot easier.E) Melee types don't get much out of this. That many fewer squares to hide in.F) Allow me to introduce Aid Another. Something that's actually broken. Minions were built for this. He may not be part of the problem, but Orcus' allies can all use Aid Another every round. Automatic +20 right there.G) Active perception check is a standard action. How often the opposed roll happens is still up in the air per the RAW... but the baddie could be getting twice as many rolls depending on how you read those rules. H) I also agree with the assertion that Divine Regeneration is part of the problem. Let's see this without demigod.... (which is another +1 for the Dex bump)I) Also, not everyone wants to wear armor that can have Stealth bonuses on it... how many resources have you allocated to stealth here, total?So, all in all it's an excelent item for a stealthy PC. And not so good for many many others.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Destil, post: 4292427, member: 1980"] A) Fighters, Rangers (Two-Weapon Str & Con based), Wizards, Warlords, Warlocks, Clerics and Paladins are all rather viable for 8 Dex. Meaning 10 at Epic. B) Armor Check. Plenty of people will not be starting at +0 C) There's enough feats that skill training can not be a given. D) You need way more than skill training. The other stealth related feats take out huge penalties and let you move fast. Strip all of those, and the ranger stealth / mobility powers, and pinpointing your guy is a lot easier. E) Melee types don't get much out of this. That many fewer squares to hide in. F) Allow me to introduce Aid Another. Something that's [b]actually[/b] broken. Minions were built for this. He may not be part of the problem, but Orcus' allies can all use Aid Another every round. Automatic +20 right there. G) Active perception check is a standard action. How often the opposed roll happens is still up in the air per the RAW... but the baddie could be getting twice as many rolls depending on how you read those rules. H) I also agree with the assertion that Divine Regeneration is part of the problem. Let's see this without demigod.... (which is another +1 for the Dex bump) I) Also, not everyone wants to wear armor that can have Stealth bonuses on it... how many resources have you allocated to stealth here, total? So, all in all it's an excelent item for a stealthy PC. And not so good for many many others. [/QUOTE]

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