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<blockquote data-quote="Zurai" data-source="post: 4295129" data-attributes="member: 52324">I was quoting the Blindsight rules from the MM. A sidenote, but that's an annoyance I have with 4E: You have to cross-reference all 3 books manually to find the full rules for something. The PHB doesn't mention tremorsense, truesight, or blindsight as foils for invisibility. The DMG lists tremorsense and blindsight as specific foils but doesn't list truesight. The MM says that truesight and tremorsense work but blindsight just gives them a normal perception check. You can't get the whole story without looking in all three books. Grrrr.Scarabs work for two turns - you basically have to know that the enemy is going to unleash Hell on you in the next chance it gets to attack you. Cloaks work for the entire fight. I respectfully submit that being untargetable for an entire fight is going to be more useful, on average, to either a solo character or a member of a party, than taking no damage from a single pre-determined round of attacks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zurai, post: 4295129, member: 52324"] I was quoting the Blindsight rules from the MM. A sidenote, but that's an annoyance I have with 4E: You have to cross-reference all 3 books manually to find the full rules for something. The PHB doesn't mention tremorsense, truesight, or blindsight as foils for invisibility. The DMG lists tremorsense and blindsight as specific foils but doesn't list truesight. The MM says that truesight and tremorsense work but blindsight just gives them a normal perception check. You can't get the whole story without looking in all three books. Grrrr. Scarabs work for two turns - you basically have to know that the enemy is going to unleash Hell on you in the next chance it gets to attack you. Cloaks work for the entire fight. I respectfully submit that being untargetable for an entire fight is going to be more useful, on average, to either a solo character or a member of a party, than taking no damage from a single pre-determined round of attacks. [/QUOTE]

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