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<blockquote data-quote="kreynolds" data-source="post: 461944" data-attributes="member: 2829"><p>I know, I'm just having a hard time making the leap to your perspective. I'm trying though.</p><p></p><p>For me, it's pretty cut and dry, like this: Where does a prepared bonus spell reside? In a bonus spell slot. What happens when your primary spellcasting stat drops too far? You lose a bonus spell slot. What happens when you lose a bonus spell slot? You lose the spell. Why? You don't have a spell slot to put it in. How can you have 9 first level spells when you only have a total of 8 slots available?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>From my point of view, it's in Chapter 1 of the PH. Like I said, you can't have a prepared bonus spell if you don't have a bonus slot to put it in. If you have 9 spells prepared, you need 9 slots to keep them in. If you only have 8 slots available, the 9th spell doesn't just hang out there in limbo, ready to use or not.</p><p></p><p>The bottom line is that you can't have a spell without a spell slot, and the number of spell slots you have is directly relatated to your level. Lose enough levels and you lose spell slots, thus you lose spells. The number of bonus spell slots you have is directly related to your primary casting ability. Lose enough of your primary casting ability and you lose your bonus spell slots, thus you lose spells.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You don't lose skill ranks for losing Intelligence. Your mod for Intelligence based skills goes down. You lose ranks when you lose a level.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, he doesn't lose his spells, but for good reason. His Intelligence didn't drop. That Feeblemind spell specifically states that the affected creature is unable to cast spells, and this is due to the fact that they have an <em>effective</em> Intelligence score of 1. Feeblemind doesn't deal Ability Damage. It is an effective ability score reduction. I think there's a difference between being feebleminded and having your Intelligence actually drained to a 1.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't find it unreasonable, but I do find it illogical.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's cool. I think that you allowing it is also a reasonable extrapolation from the rules. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No biggie. We just disagree. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kreynolds, post: 461944, member: 2829"] I know, I'm just having a hard time making the leap to your perspective. I'm trying though. For me, it's pretty cut and dry, like this: Where does a prepared bonus spell reside? In a bonus spell slot. What happens when your primary spellcasting stat drops too far? You lose a bonus spell slot. What happens when you lose a bonus spell slot? You lose the spell. Why? You don't have a spell slot to put it in. How can you have 9 first level spells when you only have a total of 8 slots available? From my point of view, it's in Chapter 1 of the PH. Like I said, you can't have a prepared bonus spell if you don't have a bonus slot to put it in. If you have 9 spells prepared, you need 9 slots to keep them in. If you only have 8 slots available, the 9th spell doesn't just hang out there in limbo, ready to use or not. The bottom line is that you can't have a spell without a spell slot, and the number of spell slots you have is directly relatated to your level. Lose enough levels and you lose spell slots, thus you lose spells. The number of bonus spell slots you have is directly related to your primary casting ability. Lose enough of your primary casting ability and you lose your bonus spell slots, thus you lose spells. You don't lose skill ranks for losing Intelligence. Your mod for Intelligence based skills goes down. You lose ranks when you lose a level. No, he doesn't lose his spells, but for good reason. His Intelligence didn't drop. That Feeblemind spell specifically states that the affected creature is unable to cast spells, and this is due to the fact that they have an [i]effective[/i] Intelligence score of 1. Feeblemind doesn't deal Ability Damage. It is an effective ability score reduction. I think there's a difference between being feebleminded and having your Intelligence actually drained to a 1. I don't find it unreasonable, but I do find it illogical. That's cool. I think that you allowing it is also a reasonable extrapolation from the rules. :) No biggie. We just disagree. :cool: [/QUOTE]
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