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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Creat" data-source="post: 2029894" data-attributes="member: 15038">All this talk about grappling has raised another question for me: If you attempt to start a grapple as a normal humoid, you have to move into the defenders space after establishing a hold and this moving provokes AoOs as normal. But if you only move 5 ft. due to both of you being medium size do you also provoke AoOs, since taking a 5 foot step never provokes them? Or assuming you already took a 5 foot step (since you can only take one per round and only if you don't move otherwise) would you provoke AoO with this move now? Or even with both moves since the first one couldn't have been a 'true' 5 foot step since you moved otherwise in the round? Or was the first still a a 5 foot step because this move doesn't count towards your movement for the round? But then again neither does a 5 foot step since it doesn't allow any moving around in the same round.I just got really confused...I think I would have the moving after the grapple started into the defenders space provoke AoOs no matter how far it is, but I honestly don't KNOW if that's right...</blockquote>