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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Feathercircle" data-source="post: 1071827" data-attributes="member: 11266">I didn't imply 7.5...  I said it'd round up to 8.  And I think you fail to understand just how 'nerfed' Ika is compared to a normal individual of its species...    And none of that was chosen to lower ECL, though that's a nice side effect...(Story of the character's creation, not the character itself...I was browsing the Legacy of Zerthimon site with a certain DM, and found the illithid music section..  I commented that under 3e rules, he could create a mind flayer bard to send against us, and he commented that if I had a good enough back story, he'd let me PLAY an illithid bard...  Once he gave up trying to get into my pants, he later backed out on that, but I had already risen to the challenge and constructed a strong backstory..  Ika's problems arose as an explanation for the obvious question of "Why would this illithid be adventuring with a bunch of humans instead of with other illithids?"Soldarin's ECL calculator gives mesubtype: abberation   hit dice: 8    (total ECL so far: 4)extra attack suiteracial stat bonuses  (admittedly gets slightly insane)(total ECL thus far: 6.2)1 major power- extraction  (coincidentally, character background means it'll be unlikely to be used, but that's irrelevant to the ECL discussion)(running ECL total 7.2)1 minor power for provisional attack bonus for tentacles(current ECL 7.4)One medium spell like for Telepathy (treating as essentially a one-way Tounges spell usable at will)(current ECL 7.9)one minor weakness for light sensitivity, courtesy of the Illithiad(final calculated ECL 7.7, rounded up to 8)As a DM running 3rd edition, I've found Soldarin's calculator<a href="http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/shadows/Handbook/ECLcalc.html" target="_blank">here</a> , to be the most balanced way of dealing with non-standard NPCs, but I admit I have no idea how it stacks up with anything in 3.5 or Savage Species since I have neither, although I can get 3.5 basics online..   and Assasination is perfectly within his grounds to reject the character concept if he so chooses.  The other characters I've got lying around are much harder to deal with, frankly.    The half-orc aristocrat/fighter has a family curse which would require advance DM approval, and I'd much rather play him starting at a much lower level..   Ivory Raven, the sorcerer with anteriograde amnesia would require a LOT of advance DM approval and I would MUCH rather start him at a lower level since I'd otherwise be handing him approximately 10 levels of experience worth of my character's life that he (the character, not the DM) has no recollection of, and that could quickly become awkward.  Veil, more than any character I have other than Ika goes along the lines of base rules, but as a githyanki cleric and a member of the Dustmen, he'd be difficult to manage in a campaign without at least some Planescape elements...Anyway, since I'm now realizing how solidly a 3.0 person I am (until I get my hands on the actual non-SRD books and can make an informed decision to switch over or not), this entire discussion is largely an intellectual excercise on my behalf...  So I guess I'm going to just watch this campaign.   Avidly, since it involves the Far Realms, but only watching nonetheless.Regardless, tburdett, you should probably sit back in the future and let the DM make his own decisions.  It's not your response itself that rankled me, its that you answered a question that I'd essentially addressed to Assasination.Anyway, I'm stressed about starting colllege on Tuesday, and may or may not be ranting by this point, so I should probably just shut up and let everyone else get on with the thread.</blockquote>

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