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<blockquote data-quote="Keenath" data-source="post: 4525023" data-attributes="member: 59792">Maybe; I don't see a whole bunch of &quot;immunity to poison&quot; effects wandering around the PHB.I dont' know about that &quot;follow enemies around with it&quot; thing.&nbsp; As I said, it goes only 3 per turn, if you give up your move, and even then maneuvering such a huge zone is probably not going to do any good.Okay, I admit I didn't realize a zone got to apply your implement bonus every round.&nbsp; I'll buy that.&nbsp; I don't accept that 7.25 value, though; you either deal ~29 damage or 14 damage, depending on your attack roll.Given... but fireball should be comparable to Stinking Cloud -- not Cloudkill!Well, 35 is&nbsp; kind of a bogus number there.&nbsp; It's either 45 damage or 21 damage, depending on the attack roll.Still I see what you're saying, comparing the maximum and minimum damage totals.&nbsp; Yes, the cloud effects are good if you can maintain coverage.&nbsp; But see my next point.&nbsp;I'm not underestimating the burst size; what I'm saying is that Stinking Cloud is (A) easier to fit into the average battle without poisoning allies; (B) nearly as good at sticking to your enemies, via moving faster; and (C) deals exactly the same damage.But it's not significantly better than keeping old Stinky.&nbsp; Maybe it's true that Stinking Cloud scales very nicely with level -- a 19th level spell ought to be better than a 5th level spell cast by a 19th level wizard!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Keenath, post: 4525023, member: 59792"] Maybe; I don't see a whole bunch of "immunity to poison" effects wandering around the PHB. I dont' know about that "follow enemies around with it" thing. As I said, it goes only 3 per turn, if you give up your move, and even then maneuvering such a huge zone is probably not going to do any good. Okay, I admit I didn't realize a zone got to apply your implement bonus every round. I'll buy that. I don't accept that 7.25 value, though; you either deal ~29 damage or 14 damage, depending on your attack roll. Given... but fireball should be comparable to Stinking Cloud -- not Cloudkill! Well, 35 is kind of a bogus number there. It's either 45 damage or 21 damage, depending on the attack roll. Still I see what you're saying, comparing the maximum and minimum damage totals. Yes, the cloud effects are good if you can maintain coverage. But see my next point. I'm not underestimating the burst size; what I'm saying is that Stinking Cloud is (A) easier to fit into the average battle without poisoning allies; (B) nearly as good at sticking to your enemies, via moving faster; and (C) deals exactly the same damage. But it's not significantly better than keeping old Stinky. Maybe it's true that Stinking Cloud scales very nicely with level -- a 19th level spell ought to be better than a 5th level spell cast by a 19th level wizard! [/QUOTE]

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