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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 4962226" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>Hiya matey! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>One of my pet hates about the American Godzilla, is that it was basically just a big dinosaur, but wirse, that it failed to take into account that the physiology of a monster that size would have to be extraordinarily strong or it would just collapse under its own mass. </p><p></p><p>I remember reading an excellent article on stardestroyer.net where Mike Wong outlines why the american version is actually less realistic. Here is the relevant part:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I saw that 500 Tons, which sits at odds with the height range they listed of 197-295 feet. Thats ten times as big as a T-Rex which means it should weigh a thousand times as much (at least 6000-8000 tons)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My mistake I thought you meant Blue Whale.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If we use Hit Dice as a basis, and have CR roughly half Hit Dice then we end up with the following scale.</p><p></p><p>Medium Animal = CR 1</p><p>Large Animal = CR 2-3</p><p>Huge Animal = CR 4-7</p><p>Gargantuan Animal = CR 8-15</p><p>Colossal Animal = CR 16-31</p><p>Titanic Animal = CR 32-63</p><p>Macro-Fine Animal = CR 64-127</p><p></p><p>Most Megasaurs should be in the Macro-Fine scale, although earlier incarnations of Godzilla and others were smaller, I think the 100 metre figure is the current default.</p><p></p><p>Of course, many of the Megasaurs have "exotic" abilities that take them beyond mere animals.</p><p></p><p>However, a 148 Hit Dice Zilla (American Godzilla) having CR 74 does sit at odds with its destruction in the movie. However, as the Mike Wong text notes, that monster should never be able to walk in the first place. So if we assume it is strong enough to walk, then its skin, muscle and bones would be stronger than steel. Meaning those rockets should have just bounced off it.</p><p></p><p>In fact, re-reading his full article, I am now wondering if my size rules go far enough. Basically, the stress put upon something is equal to its size difference. So if Zilla was simply ten times bigger than a t-rex (for the sake of this discussion) then it would need to be ten times stronger than its comparitive strength (by that I mean, even after we add strength bonuses for size differences it still needs to be ten times stronger than that...basically +17 strength if I remember my 3E.</p><p></p><p>Large = x2 size, root x1.4</p><p>Huge = x4 size, root x2</p><p>Gargantuan = x8 size, root x2.8</p><p>Colossal = x16 size, root x4</p><p>Titanic = x32 size, root x5.6</p><p>Macro-Fine = x64 size, root x8</p><p>Macro-Diminutive = x128 size, root x11.2</p><p></p><p>New strength bonuses:</p><p></p><p>Large = +12</p><p>Huge = +25</p><p>Gargantuan = +37</p><p>Colossal = +50</p><p>Titanic = +62</p><p>Macro-Fine = +75 </p><p>Macro-Diminutive = +87</p><p>Macro-Tiny = +100</p><p></p><p>Also note this takes into account the carrying capacity modifiers for size. If we remove those modifiers then each size category should have a +17.5 (round fractions down) strength bonus. Although I am not sure the carrying capacity mods should be negated.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 4962226, member: 326"] Hiya matey! :) One of my pet hates about the American Godzilla, is that it was basically just a big dinosaur, but wirse, that it failed to take into account that the physiology of a monster that size would have to be extraordinarily strong or it would just collapse under its own mass. I remember reading an excellent article on stardestroyer.net where Mike Wong outlines why the american version is actually less realistic. Here is the relevant part: I saw that 500 Tons, which sits at odds with the height range they listed of 197-295 feet. Thats ten times as big as a T-Rex which means it should weigh a thousand times as much (at least 6000-8000 tons) My mistake I thought you meant Blue Whale. If we use Hit Dice as a basis, and have CR roughly half Hit Dice then we end up with the following scale. Medium Animal = CR 1 Large Animal = CR 2-3 Huge Animal = CR 4-7 Gargantuan Animal = CR 8-15 Colossal Animal = CR 16-31 Titanic Animal = CR 32-63 Macro-Fine Animal = CR 64-127 Most Megasaurs should be in the Macro-Fine scale, although earlier incarnations of Godzilla and others were smaller, I think the 100 metre figure is the current default. Of course, many of the Megasaurs have "exotic" abilities that take them beyond mere animals. However, a 148 Hit Dice Zilla (American Godzilla) having CR 74 does sit at odds with its destruction in the movie. However, as the Mike Wong text notes, that monster should never be able to walk in the first place. So if we assume it is strong enough to walk, then its skin, muscle and bones would be stronger than steel. Meaning those rockets should have just bounced off it. In fact, re-reading his full article, I am now wondering if my size rules go far enough. Basically, the stress put upon something is equal to its size difference. So if Zilla was simply ten times bigger than a t-rex (for the sake of this discussion) then it would need to be ten times stronger than its comparitive strength (by that I mean, even after we add strength bonuses for size differences it still needs to be ten times stronger than that...basically +17 strength if I remember my 3E. Large = x2 size, root x1.4 Huge = x4 size, root x2 Gargantuan = x8 size, root x2.8 Colossal = x16 size, root x4 Titanic = x32 size, root x5.6 Macro-Fine = x64 size, root x8 Macro-Diminutive = x128 size, root x11.2 New strength bonuses: Large = +12 Huge = +25 Gargantuan = +37 Colossal = +50 Titanic = +62 Macro-Fine = +75 Macro-Diminutive = +87 Macro-Tiny = +100 Also note this takes into account the carrying capacity modifiers for size. If we remove those modifiers then each size category should have a +17.5 (round fractions down) strength bonus. Although I am not sure the carrying capacity mods should be negated. :) [/QUOTE]
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