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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Belzamus" data-source="post: 4970997" data-attributes="member: 61612">Bear in mind that good ol' Gargillan (Nexus Dragon adventure seed) a 3036 HD Macrobe Human is likely around CR 150, at most. His whip ought to eat him alive. Even with his absurd number of feats, what is he really going to gain?  Fast HealingDamage ReductionNatural ArmorEnergy ResistanceAttack Bonus Any other stackables I'm forgetting?So he has +1500 to hit, a base damage that is TRULY negligible (32d4? Come on. Or is it 32 x his new base damage? 320d10 is a little nicer, but hardly egregious), a massive natural armor, likely less than 100,000 hp, +1500 saves...a Time Lord would CURBSTOMP this guy, even with his pet snake. His CR would be nowhere NEAR 800 or whatever it's supposed to be. Now...if he was wielding a compliment of artifacts that tricked him out with Cosmic abilities, sure, he might be decent, but then, the challenge isn't coming from his 3036 HD, or at least not directly.    Sorry for going off-topic, I just find the Macrobe template a little silly. Size-increases alone aren't nearly enough to justify that CR increase, and I REALLY hate big, slow, dumb creatures with single-digit Touch ACs.  Now, if it gave d1000 HD and massive (and I mean like 100/-- per HD) DR, than maybe it might be closer to weighing in at its CR.</blockquote>