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<blockquote data-quote="Khisanth the Ancient" data-source="post: 4982639" data-attributes="member: 11368"><p>That seems awfully high. The MM T. Rex has no Damage Reduction or SR, no ranged attacks, and an utterly crappy AC. A 10th level party would have no trouble taking it down. </p><p></p><p>Its Will save is a mere +8. A 10th-level sorcerer with Cha 19 (which is not that high, since you can have a <em>cloak of charisma</em> easily by that level) will have a DC 18 <em>charm monster</em>, a 50% chance of taking Rex out of the fight instantly. </p><p></p><p>Its AC is so low that it is nearly impossible to miss at that level.</p><p></p><p>CR8 seems about right. A CR13 party wouldn't even break a sweat.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Remember that the length is meant to exclude the tail. 60 feet without tail is going to be about right for an average blue whale; the 100+ footers/200 tonners would be Colossal though.</p><p></p><p>Those dinosaurs were what I had in mind when I suggested RL animals could reach CR10. A nonmagical (thus no DR or SR) creature without ranged attacks, and with the low Will saves typical of animals, shouldn't go over about CR10; they're too easy pickings for spellcasters, or anybody with a ranged attack.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, UK's Godzilla is 160 HD, and "only" Macro-Fine. A Macro-Diminutive bear, up to twice that size, should at least be comparable in HD; without regeneration or DR, it'll still be a lot less tough. Bears are impressively scary.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Khisanth the Ancient, post: 4982639, member: 11368"] That seems awfully high. The MM T. Rex has no Damage Reduction or SR, no ranged attacks, and an utterly crappy AC. A 10th level party would have no trouble taking it down. Its Will save is a mere +8. A 10th-level sorcerer with Cha 19 (which is not that high, since you can have a [I]cloak of charisma[/I] easily by that level) will have a DC 18 [I]charm monster[/I], a 50% chance of taking Rex out of the fight instantly. Its AC is so low that it is nearly impossible to miss at that level. CR8 seems about right. A CR13 party wouldn't even break a sweat. Remember that the length is meant to exclude the tail. 60 feet without tail is going to be about right for an average blue whale; the 100+ footers/200 tonners would be Colossal though. Those dinosaurs were what I had in mind when I suggested RL animals could reach CR10. A nonmagical (thus no DR or SR) creature without ranged attacks, and with the low Will saves typical of animals, shouldn't go over about CR10; they're too easy pickings for spellcasters, or anybody with a ranged attack. Well, UK's Godzilla is 160 HD, and "only" Macro-Fine. A Macro-Diminutive bear, up to twice that size, should at least be comparable in HD; without regeneration or DR, it'll still be a lot less tough. Bears are impressively scary. [/QUOTE]
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