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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 3215696" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>If such a situation happened in my games, I would simply ask the players in question to stop stealing. Your situations very clearly demonstrates how the game can easily suffer when someone "roleplays" against the other players. It just doesn't work, unless your group is way experienced and skilled.</p><p></p><p>Your Cleric player is NOT having fun, and this just because someone else pretends to have his own fun in a particular way. I believe this is just wrong... it's not acceptable to spoil one's fun because of someone else's fun. In my opinion your DM is acting very badly, and he's been basically supporting this situation all the time. </p><p></p><p>How can he put the game back on track? Honestly I think it's going to be hard. It's already moved into metagaming and player conflict, and sooner or later it will be a matter of which player is better at argumenting his point (which has nothing to do with being better at playing the game) and IMO the Rogue player will win, the Cleric player will be pissed off and leave the game.</p><p></p><p>Even solving this in-character is difficult at this point, because I'm sure that the Rogue is already manipulating the DM, and if the DM tries for example to enforce some realism such as giving a chance to the other characters to discover the thefts (unbelievable if the DM has never even *allowed* the other characters to notice, that is truly bad DMing) and then force the Rogue player to deal with it in-character, I am quite skeptic that the player would accept it, he'll try to accuse the DM of punishing his roleplaying concept...</p><p></p><p>But truth is that if the Rogue player is really interested in roleplaying someone who steals from his friends, he should be very happy to have the chance to roleplay the realistic and near-inevitable consequences: that when they find out, the thief is going to pay for it (such as now everybody else takes his gear) or if he refuses and resist, he's on his own and out of the party, and the player makes a new character.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 3215696, member: 1465"] If such a situation happened in my games, I would simply ask the players in question to stop stealing. Your situations very clearly demonstrates how the game can easily suffer when someone "roleplays" against the other players. It just doesn't work, unless your group is way experienced and skilled. Your Cleric player is NOT having fun, and this just because someone else pretends to have his own fun in a particular way. I believe this is just wrong... it's not acceptable to spoil one's fun because of someone else's fun. In my opinion your DM is acting very badly, and he's been basically supporting this situation all the time. How can he put the game back on track? Honestly I think it's going to be hard. It's already moved into metagaming and player conflict, and sooner or later it will be a matter of which player is better at argumenting his point (which has nothing to do with being better at playing the game) and IMO the Rogue player will win, the Cleric player will be pissed off and leave the game. Even solving this in-character is difficult at this point, because I'm sure that the Rogue is already manipulating the DM, and if the DM tries for example to enforce some realism such as giving a chance to the other characters to discover the thefts (unbelievable if the DM has never even *allowed* the other characters to notice, that is truly bad DMing) and then force the Rogue player to deal with it in-character, I am quite skeptic that the player would accept it, he'll try to accuse the DM of punishing his roleplaying concept... But truth is that if the Rogue player is really interested in roleplaying someone who steals from his friends, he should be very happy to have the chance to roleplay the realistic and near-inevitable consequences: that when they find out, the thief is going to pay for it (such as now everybody else takes his gear) or if he refuses and resist, he's on his own and out of the party, and the player makes a new character. [/QUOTE]
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