CnC:Monster and Treasure pdf
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Treebore
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It should be this one
M&T Seccond Printing
Since the other one matches the ISBN of my copy, which is first printing.
M&T Seccond Printing
Since the other one matches the ISBN of my copy, which is first printing.
Are you sure? This one is 11.49mb and states Edition 1.0. it also has no ISBN.
The other one is 12.5mb (which you say is firstprinting).
I have to say this is very unprofessional of the people at trollord. I bet those who download the firstprinting by mistake will not even get a refund or something.
Thats why I amnot burning $20.00 until I have some confirmation about whether that is the second printing.
The other one is 12.5mb (which you say is firstprinting).
I have to say this is very unprofessional of the people at trollord. I bet those who download the firstprinting by mistake will not even get a refund or something.
Thats why I amnot burning $20.00 until I have some confirmation about whether that is the second printing.
JDJblatherings
First Post
TLG 80112 is the second printing.
A refund for what? Buying the book they bought?
A refund for what? Buying the book they bought?
Treebore
First Post
Technically the Troll do not handle that website. They submit material to the site admins who then in turn put up the downloads. Now the Trolls need to be notified that drivethru has the material posted like they do, and do not delineate between the printings like they should. Then if the Trolls don't make them fix it, thats when the Trolls are to blame.
The ball of which would already be rolling if you had signed into their messageboards like I recommended you do when I first saw you start posting here. The writers and artists hang out on those boards, the Trolls periodically read stuff, etc... So it would make it easier to get feedback about this to them if this was posted in their forums.
As it is I'll get the ball rolling.
So sign into their forums, they don't bite, and you'll get a heck of lot more feedback from people.
The ball of which would already be rolling if you had signed into their messageboards like I recommended you do when I first saw you start posting here. The writers and artists hang out on those boards, the Trolls periodically read stuff, etc... So it would make it easier to get feedback about this to them if this was posted in their forums.
As it is I'll get the ball rolling.
So sign into their forums, they don't bite, and you'll get a heck of lot more feedback from people.
When Ironheroes was updated/revised, everyone who had a pdf got a free download of the new, revised ruleset. At drivethru. Also, like most companies ironheroes was also at a discounted rate in pdf form. cnc is not.
The trolls should have made sure all their retail outlets (i.e. people selling their stuff) had their items up-2-date. Why should anyone go out of their way to babysit them?
Also, for your information, the pdf link on the trollord website (i.e. the link to monsters and treasure on rpgnow on the trolls website) directs the user to an empty page on rpgnow. Trolls have no idea there is a dead link on their website.
Again, not the most stellar example of customer service. A paying customer should not have to register and log onto their website, beg them to update their pdf's, and then pay them money for doing so.
The trolls should have made sure all their retail outlets (i.e. people selling their stuff) had their items up-2-date. Why should anyone go out of their way to babysit them?
Also, for your information, the pdf link on the trollord website (i.e. the link to monsters and treasure on rpgnow on the trolls website) directs the user to an empty page on rpgnow. Trolls have no idea there is a dead link on their website.
Again, not the most stellar example of customer service. A paying customer should not have to register and log onto their website, beg them to update their pdf's, and then pay them money for doing so.
jdrakeh
Front Range Warlock
I am not a fan of TLG, but. . .
Not all companies do this. In fact, most of the don't do this. It isn't required, nor is it standard retail procedure in the electronic RPG market.
Again, not all companies do this. Most notably, WotC's PDF products cost just as much as their print products, as a rule. This discount is totally optional, not required.
For physical products? No, that is the responsibility of the retailer. For PDF products? You're right -- because RPGNow does not maintain publisher catalogs. At RPGNow, this level of maintenance falls to the publishers. A RPGNow catalog full of broken links and/or out of date products is typically the fault of the publisher, not the PDF distributor.
Okay, that is valid criticism. The TLG site itself suffers from periodic maintenance lapses. Still, your first two complaints (that the PDF wasn't freely distributed to owners of past revisions, or that it wasn't deeply discounted) don't seem to be reasonable. Even to me.
Sitara said:
Not all companies do this. In fact, most of the don't do this. It isn't required, nor is it standard retail procedure in the electronic RPG market.
Again, not all companies do this. Most notably, WotC's PDF products cost just as much as their print products, as a rule. This discount is totally optional, not required.
For physical products? No, that is the responsibility of the retailer. For PDF products? You're right -- because RPGNow does not maintain publisher catalogs. At RPGNow, this level of maintenance falls to the publishers. A RPGNow catalog full of broken links and/or out of date products is typically the fault of the publisher, not the PDF distributor.
Okay, that is valid criticism. The TLG site itself suffers from periodic maintenance lapses. Still, your first two complaints (that the PDF wasn't freely distributed to owners of past revisions, or that it wasn't deeply discounted) don't seem to be reasonable. Even to me.
No, jdrakeh. I don't mean they should discount pdf's to customers who have already bought it (though some companies do this, like ironheor publishers). WHat I meant is that the second printing has been out for awhile, yet the first printing pdf is still out there. And ther is no way of knowing which printing it is. So if a customer purchases the first printing thinking it was the second, realizes what happened, I think he is entitled for a free update to the second printing.
As for discounting, yes WOTC are notorious for not doing this and they have recieved rightful flak for it. However most indie companies and many major publishers (mongoose, green ronin, necromancer, etc) do offer discounts of pdf verison sof their products.
@Treebore: Thank you for converying the message to the trolls (concerned parties) Again, I really don't want to register onto yet another messageboard,else I would have done so myself.
Also, while I am waiting for the pdfs to be updated, could someone give me the skinny on stats for the vampire lord and the vampire spawn from MnT, since i need them for my game?
At least, just something so I can run the encounter? I was attempting to convert the 3.5 ones, but they are too powerful/wonky (cnc has 12 levels and monsters ought ot be balanced likewise. 3.5 seem too powerful)
As for discounting, yes WOTC are notorious for not doing this and they have recieved rightful flak for it. However most indie companies and many major publishers (mongoose, green ronin, necromancer, etc) do offer discounts of pdf verison sof their products.
@Treebore: Thank you for converying the message to the trolls (concerned parties) Again, I really don't want to register onto yet another messageboard,else I would have done so myself.
Also, while I am waiting for the pdfs to be updated, could someone give me the skinny on stats for the vampire lord and the vampire spawn from MnT, since i need them for my game?
At least, just something so I can run the encounter? I was attempting to convert the 3.5 ones, but they are too powerful/wonky (cnc has 12 levels and monsters ought ot be balanced likewise. 3.5 seem too powerful)
Treebore
First Post
They are both the first printing. Apparently the second printing was never uploaded and then when the drivethru/rpgnow merger occurred a number of entries were duplicated. Anyways the Trolls hope to have Drivethru correctly updated today.
As for why we communicate with TLG, they are a two to three man business. SO us regulars help them out when we can so they might actually get the CKG out some time during the current customer bases life time.
As for the PDF pricing, I agree with you, but the bottom line is they actually feel the pain to their bottom line that PDF pirating causes. So the only reason they even offer PDF, even at the prices they do, is to placate the loyal customer base that asked for it. The Trolls originally weren't even going to offer PDF's.
As for why we communicate with TLG, they are a two to three man business. SO us regulars help them out when we can so they might actually get the CKG out some time during the current customer bases life time.
As for the PDF pricing, I agree with you, but the bottom line is they actually feel the pain to their bottom line that PDF pirating causes. So the only reason they even offer PDF, even at the prices they do, is to placate the loyal customer base that asked for it. The Trolls originally weren't even going to offer PDF's.
