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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 9614886" data-attributes="member: 85555">It is an interesting discussion. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer here as we are going by what the show gave us. I was watching an interview with Thomas Ian Griffith where this topic came up and apparently a number of people online are using the phrase &quot;atonement, not redemption&quot; for Kreese. I think some of this really depends on your own personal views of redemption. It is a show also so you are kind of reading the cinematic language rather than assessing it if he were real. For me, it felt pretty redemptive, in that it was a sincere acknowledgement of what he had done wrong, and even an acknowledgement that he could never really be a good guy (which was a pretty interesting self assessment). I do think it would be have been more redemptive if he had tried to connect with Silver and drag him out of the hell he was in. The key for me was there was a genuine change of heart the character displayed. Real change. Which doesn't mean there aren't real world consequences he still has to deal with, but more that he seemed spiritually redeemed (in the end he dies, which I think is the price they have him pay to be the good guy). I don't think it let him off the hook. He had to die to get redemption, but I would say he was no longer a villain but the end of the series (which is kind of the message of the show: the whole show has been about Johnny not being the villain that he was in the first movie). Silver definitely died a villain. Again, that is just my view of it. Not saying you are wrong.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 9614886, member: 85555"] It is an interesting discussion. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer here as we are going by what the show gave us. I was watching an interview with Thomas Ian Griffith where this topic came up and apparently a number of people online are using the phrase "atonement, not redemption" for Kreese. I think some of this really depends on your own personal views of redemption. It is a show also so you are kind of reading the cinematic language rather than assessing it if he were real. For me, it felt pretty redemptive, in that it was a sincere acknowledgement of what he had done wrong, and even an acknowledgement that he could never really be a good guy (which was a pretty interesting self assessment). I do think it would be have been more redemptive if he had tried to connect with Silver and drag him out of the hell he was in. The key for me was there was a genuine change of heart the character displayed. Real change. Which doesn't mean there aren't real world consequences he still has to deal with, but more that he seemed spiritually redeemed (in the end he dies, which I think is the price they have him pay to be the good guy). I don't think it let him off the hook. He had to die to get redemption, but I would say he was no longer a villain but the end of the series (which is kind of the message of the show: the whole show has been about Johnny not being the villain that he was in the first movie). Silver definitely died a villain. Again, that is just my view of it. Not saying you are wrong. [/QUOTE]

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