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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 9890390" data-attributes="member: 29398">The specific 'CoD' piece in both is saying that specific spellcasters > > > other spellcasters and martials.In our 3e game the Cleric PC was the most powerful for a long time (because no-one played a Druid), then later when that Cleric's player left someone brought in a Druid and it immediately became the most powerful PC....helped by its player (not me!) being a bit of a powergamer at heart.There's been some threads in D&D Older Editions recently where 1e (post-UA) Fighters as-written have been lauded by some as the best class in the game at the time in terms of power, damage dealing, survivability, and so forth; and IMO those claims may well be correct particularly at low-mid levels (i.e up to about 9th-ish, which was roughly where most 1e games tapped out anyway).Casters of all kinds in 1e had to deal with much harsher rules around interruption, which if nothing else made them way less reliable than martials in any sort of fog-of-war situation.  They were also much squishier than their more recent counterparts, meaning some of their spells (assuming some player and-or character wisdom) would want to go toward self-defense rather than all to offense or utility.  And Cleric types were expected to save most of their spells for healing.Agreed, the WotC era has somewhat hammered martials.  3e also reined in arcane casters a bit (relative to what they could have been!) but forgot to rein in Clerics and - mostly by removing restrictions - gave both types a bunch of advantages they didn't have in the TSR era.  In reaction to this, 4e tried to bring everyone closer to the same and - typical for WotC design - completely overdid it.  5e tried for a middle ground with results that might best be termed hit and miss: they fixed some things while breaking others.WotC now are also having to design around a slow but steady change in player attitudes* that they (WotC) themselves are to blame for: they spent too much time catering to player complaints rather than holding firm, and not enough time listening to DMs.* - an easy example here is that hitting in combat used to be seen as good and missing seen as acceptable while hitting is now seen as normal and missing is seen as unacceptable.</blockquote>

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