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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 1149587" data-attributes="member: 2629">Nobody said anything about someone suing the paladin. Now you're just being silly.Perhaps I should have been clearer. It is a tool that formalizes the common thought process we go through when assigning blame by breaking it down into the steps that we gloss over in our mind. It just breaks down common sense into easy to follow rules. Want to see it in use by a pair of fantasy peasants?*****Bob: "Hey, Jimbo, Wass'up? ... errrr, I mean, Hail and well met, good Jimbo! What hast thine prickly ears uncovered this fine day?"Jimbo: "Shut up, dude. They're on to us. I hear that some paladin is looking for help. I hear his name is Paldin the Golden."Bob: "Dude.  No way! Paldin the Golden? Didn't you hear about what happenned to the last guys that hooked up with him?"Jimbo: "Nope. I sure didn't, Dude."Bob: "Totally bogus. He takes them into someplace called 'The Temple of Nasty Stuff and Smashed Up Followers'. Dude, they all went in with smiles on their faces, too!"Jimbo: "Dude! No way! What idiots. So, like, how many went in and how many came out?"Bob: "40 Dudes enter. 5 dudes exit."Jimbo: "DUDE!"Bob: "Totally, Dude."Jimbo: "I hear that some Priestess of Aphrodite is looking for a few good men. Think we should try to get some of that action, Dude?"Bob: "I don't think she has leadership, Dude."Jimbo: "Dude. Does she need it?"******Jimbo used the analysis I mentioned, but did it in lay-Dude terms. He found out that Paldin gave an order (for his men to go into the Temple). Just by the name of the place he knew that it was obviously dangerous for the followers, so he knew that the decision to send the followers into the Temple endangered their lives. Finally, he knew that many of the followers died. This had an effect on his decision to follow Paldin. The rules I provide just make it easy for a DM to provide consistent answers. Players, like the law, want consistency.And, FYI, although many legal 'scholars' consider the concept of proximate cause to have been born in the US case of Palsgraf v. LIRR in 1928 (look it up on the internet ... it is actually a funny case), it actually predates legal use by centuries as a philosophical tool. Heck, Palsgraf wasn't even close to the first use of it in law, either. So, although it was adopted and is most commonly formally used by the law in modern society, it is very appropriate for a fantasy setting that replicates 14th to 16th century existence as a way of making a decision. Use it if you want. Ignore it if you don't like it. It was presented as an option for consideration.</blockquote>

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