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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gaiden" data-source="post: 1343358" data-attributes="member: 103">You're still thinking inside the box.  I was not referring to magical items, but rather the host of mundane materials that can be all too useful in the course of one's adventuring career.  I don't want to give anything away as I am not sure where you are in the game.  As a point of reference we are at the moment going to do battle with the leader in that god-forsaken spike - <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I will say no more.Shortly before our epic conflicts in the center we were ambushed.  A simple thunderstone won us the battle.  I kid you not, a lucky roll, educated guess, and a knack for the ingenuitive caused our avg. 10 hp party with no resources left and an unconscious companion suddenly ambushed with a globe of darkness (can you tell I am from 2e) to cause the guy who could pinpoint our location with sound to go deaf.  We still were by no means in the clear.  Our paladin was suddenly down to (IIRC) ~2 hps and my cleric was getting impaled.  The psion had taken blindfight back at 1st level and so rather than trying to border on the outside of the globe, charged in.  The foe, I guess never expected this and his escape route was cut off.  After flanking, and the paladin going down, my cleric and the psion, the two worst melee combatants ever (we both have absolutely no attack bonus) confirmed crits!  Low and behold, the battle was done.  The thunderstone won us that battle, no two ways about it.All I was referring to with the craft skills was mundane armor (for those god forsaken rust monsters and green slime), tanglefoot bags, tindertwigs, holy water, alchemist fire, acid, poison, etc.  I think there was a large spider somewhere in the beginning of the mines (that your DM may or may not have glossed over - it was a real joke with out party - a noticed metagaming bit of humor from Monte Cook).  Have your alchemist or herbalist attempt to extract its venom.  There were some fireworms - might be able to get some alchemist fire out of that, etc.All of those little cheap items can be amazingly useful.  Heck, even a 1st level adept with scribe scroll - if you want to go with magic item creation can be useful.  He can be a back up healer when the party rests so that the other spellcasters don't have to use all of their spells healing the injured and depleting their own repetoir of useful buff/combat spells.Hell, I had an NPC bladesinger with leadership have a contingent of followers that were around 2nd and 3rd level and a bunch of people with buff spells (from the cleric cohort) gave all of those elves some mad attack bonuses with their bows given their level.  I think it was something like +10 on top of whatever their normal bonuses were.  You could get some warriors and probably see them put use effectively.BTW - I thought Recitation was prayer except that the bonuses were +2 (or +3 if you were of the same faith)?  I thought recitation gave you a bonus to damage and skill checks...no?  IDHMBWM</blockquote>

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