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<blockquote data-quote="Agback" data-source="post: 2900607" data-attributes="member: 5328"><p>Platinum was unknown in mediaeval Europe, and platinum coins have never been in circulation. It doesn't tarnish as silver does, but it is not such an attractive colour. It's price is high because of its use as a catalyst in chemical industry, not because it is treasured for making jewelry. In pre-industrial conditions it would likely not be very valuable: the first response of teh Spanish, when they discovered that platinum alloys in gold could not be detected by standard assaying techniques of their time, was to collect all the platinum they could find and drop it into the mid-Atlantic. And platinum is too hard and not ductile enough for making coins out of anyway.</p><p></p><p>The original foundation of mediaeval currency was the libra (livre or pound) of pure silver, weighing 326 grammes. This was minted as 240 denarii (deniers, dinars, pfennig, or pennies), each weighing 1.36 grammes. Denarii were small coins, about 16 mm in diameter, and yet rther too valuable to be convenient for everyday transations. People often cut them in half to make half-pennies and into quarters to make farthings.</p><p></p><p>Later, the convention was established that twelve pennies made a shilling or sou, and that twenty shillings or sous made a pound. But that was an account-keeping device, it does not imply the existence of an actual shilling coin containing 16.3 g of silver.</p><p></p><p>English coin was not debased during the mediaeval period. From the time of Offa to the time of Richard III the English penny remained pure silver and fair weight. On the Continent, however, various dynasties debased their countries' coin, to the point where the denier and pfennig became copper coins and new silver coins such as the <em>gros</em> (nominally fourpence) and the <em>schilling</em> and <em>sous</em> (12 pence) had to be introduced.</p><p></p><p>The English shilling, introduced in Tudor times, contained four pennyweights of silver, and was worth twelve pence, showing you that the Tudor currency was debased by 67%. The standard thus established was maintained until the twentieth century, though as the real value of silver and gold (ie. compared to wages and food prices) fell larger silver coins had to be introduced (the English florin worth 24 pence and the half-crown worth 30 pence), as well as a gold coin (the guinea, replaced in 1820-odd by the sovereign and half-sovereign)</p><p></p><p>As for a gold coin, the nearest thing to a standard was a coin weighing about 3.5 grammes, minted at Florence as a florin, at Venice as a ducat, and at Byzantium (known in western Europe as a 'bezaint' or 'bezant'). The <em>écu</em> was a French imitation, soon debased. The relative price of silver and gold varied, and so, therefore, did the value of a ducat in pennies. As a representative average, figure a gold as worth 15 times the price of silver, and a ducat as worth about 36-40 pence.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Agback, post: 2900607, member: 5328"] Platinum was unknown in mediaeval Europe, and platinum coins have never been in circulation. It doesn't tarnish as silver does, but it is not such an attractive colour. It's price is high because of its use as a catalyst in chemical industry, not because it is treasured for making jewelry. In pre-industrial conditions it would likely not be very valuable: the first response of teh Spanish, when they discovered that platinum alloys in gold could not be detected by standard assaying techniques of their time, was to collect all the platinum they could find and drop it into the mid-Atlantic. And platinum is too hard and not ductile enough for making coins out of anyway. The original foundation of mediaeval currency was the libra (livre or pound) of pure silver, weighing 326 grammes. This was minted as 240 denarii (deniers, dinars, pfennig, or pennies), each weighing 1.36 grammes. Denarii were small coins, about 16 mm in diameter, and yet rther too valuable to be convenient for everyday transations. People often cut them in half to make half-pennies and into quarters to make farthings. Later, the convention was established that twelve pennies made a shilling or sou, and that twenty shillings or sous made a pound. But that was an account-keeping device, it does not imply the existence of an actual shilling coin containing 16.3 g of silver. English coin was not debased during the mediaeval period. From the time of Offa to the time of Richard III the English penny remained pure silver and fair weight. On the Continent, however, various dynasties debased their countries' coin, to the point where the denier and pfennig became copper coins and new silver coins such as the [i]gros[/i] (nominally fourpence) and the [i]schilling[/i] and [i]sous[/i] (12 pence) had to be introduced. The English shilling, introduced in Tudor times, contained four pennyweights of silver, and was worth twelve pence, showing you that the Tudor currency was debased by 67%. The standard thus established was maintained until the twentieth century, though as the real value of silver and gold (ie. compared to wages and food prices) fell larger silver coins had to be introduced (the English florin worth 24 pence and the half-crown worth 30 pence), as well as a gold coin (the guinea, replaced in 1820-odd by the sovereign and half-sovereign) As for a gold coin, the nearest thing to a standard was a coin weighing about 3.5 grammes, minted at Florence as a florin, at Venice as a ducat, and at Byzantium (known in western Europe as a 'bezaint' or 'bezant'). The [i]écu[/i] was a French imitation, soon debased. The relative price of silver and gold varied, and so, therefore, did the value of a ducat in pennies. As a representative average, figure a gold as worth 15 times the price of silver, and a ducat as worth about 36-40 pence. [/QUOTE]
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