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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 3425187" data-attributes="member: 19675">Not if he's facing the other way; not if he's hiding his face behind a shield- any shield.    In either case, the caster may have LOS on the target, but the target definitely doesn't have LOS on the caster or the origin point of the spell.My view is at least internally consistent with the way I run the other spells.You may recall some months ago, HS, you and I differed on whether a Monk in a tiny room could still make his reflex check to completely evade the effects of a Fireball (a "spread" spell) launched into the room.You said he could, citing the RAW.I said he couldn't, also citing the RAW, but declaring him effectively helpless to completely avoid the effects of the spell. Since the spread fills the entire room, he can do no better than protecting half of his body by pressing against a floor or wall (or ceiling, if he has some such ability)- no better than any other character. There is nowhere in the room he can get to where there is no fire effect on some part of his body.  IOW, he can save for half damage, same as any other PC, but if he can't escape the area in some way, he can't save for zero damage.Is either of my position RAW?  Not 100%- I'm actually applying a little common sense to the game, but that doesn't scare me one bit.  Everyone does that somewhere in the games they run.I've said my piece, and you're not convincing me to change my mind on this one.My overall point?Figure out which way you're going to run bursts, spreads, etc., and be consistent.</blockquote>

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