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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8827948" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>Not quite what i'm talking about. I'm talking about the PC's being crushed with no chance of survival and likely no chance of even seeing it coming - because that's where combat as war naturally leads. For it to lead anywhere else is proof that the DM's hand was on the scales and that he balanced things out just enough for the PC's to maintain a good chance of success.</p><p></p><p>Also, it's a bit offensive that you presume to know what I've played and haven't played.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The monsters in combat as sport are also out to kill the PCs.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If all you mean by combat as war is an adventure designed specifically so it can't be beaten by the PC's simply going through a set of battles and thus requires the PC's to defeat their enemies by other means then I agree that's different than combat as sport - assuming that means an adventure that can be beaten by having the PC's engage in a series of direct combats.</p><p></p><p>But there's so much from the initial description that adds more to this model than necessary. I think it's those additional statements that are being pushed back against.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 8827948, member: 6795602"] Not quite what i'm talking about. I'm talking about the PC's being crushed with no chance of survival and likely no chance of even seeing it coming - because that's where combat as war naturally leads. For it to lead anywhere else is proof that the DM's hand was on the scales and that he balanced things out just enough for the PC's to maintain a good chance of success. Also, it's a bit offensive that you presume to know what I've played and haven't played. The monsters in combat as sport are also out to kill the PCs. If all you mean by combat as war is an adventure designed specifically so it can't be beaten by the PC's simply going through a set of battles and thus requires the PC's to defeat their enemies by other means then I agree that's different than combat as sport - assuming that means an adventure that can be beaten by having the PC's engage in a series of direct combats. But there's so much from the initial description that adds more to this model than necessary. I think it's those additional statements that are being pushed back against. [/QUOTE]
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