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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8828090" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>My point is: why shackle yourself to sometbing that has been used so offensively? Consider, for instance, the old technical definitions of terms like "imbecile" and "idiot." Did you know that these were originally technical, and specific to particular degrees of mental disability? They served an extremely useful function once, as they helped break the idea that all mentally-disabled people are equally disabled, introducing the public to the idea that mental disability is a <em>spectrum</em> and not an on/off binary. However, these terms also <em>extremely quickly</em> became used as terms of abuse, and within fifty years there was a push even in the medical community to eliminate them and go back to having one term. We have had a treadmill on that front too, with "amentia" (lit. "without mind") being replaced by "retardation" (literally "slowed [development]"), which was itself quickly replaced with "intellectual disability." That last one seems to have finally stuck, probably because it's too technical to become a term of mockery.</p><p></p><p>Point being: even something that truly, objectively does have merit <em>and objectively did good things in the past</em> can become too toxic to retain. The legacy of "CaW/CaS" was toxic from effectively day 1. Why not dispense with it and just focus on your "strategy focus vs tactics focus" line? That has none of the baggage and, from what I can tell, <em>more</em> utility, because it explicitly recognizes that a single game can feature <em>both things,</em> where CaW/CaS asserts a hard binary, where any effort that leans toward "War" axiomatically moves away from "Sport."</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you may have misunderstood my terms, in which case I apologize for being unclear. I meant "dirty strategy" in the sense of "fighting dirty": doing underhanded, dishonorable, even wicked things because victory is the only thing that matters. Thus "clean tactics" is the (alleged) other side, the (alleged) expectation of fairness and gentlemen's agreements and the like.</p><p></p><p>My intent was to call out that you can also have dirty tactics and clean strategy. E.g. two honorable commanders choosing not to shell retreating soldiers because that's not okay.</p><p></p><p>Since I screwed up here, and sincerely apologize, what terms would you prefer for describing this skullduggery vs respect kind of thing? Earlier I used "Heroic vs Pragmatic," is that a better alternative?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Alright. As noted above, I feel this is something where a lot of wounds are still pretty raw, and where there are legitimately more productive uses of our time than preserving a faulty shorthand when more specific terms exist and are if anything more useful than the alleged shorthand.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8828090, member: 6790260"] My point is: why shackle yourself to sometbing that has been used so offensively? Consider, for instance, the old technical definitions of terms like "imbecile" and "idiot." Did you know that these were originally technical, and specific to particular degrees of mental disability? They served an extremely useful function once, as they helped break the idea that all mentally-disabled people are equally disabled, introducing the public to the idea that mental disability is a [I]spectrum[/I] and not an on/off binary. However, these terms also [I]extremely quickly[/I] became used as terms of abuse, and within fifty years there was a push even in the medical community to eliminate them and go back to having one term. We have had a treadmill on that front too, with "amentia" (lit. "without mind") being replaced by "retardation" (literally "slowed [development]"), which was itself quickly replaced with "intellectual disability." That last one seems to have finally stuck, probably because it's too technical to become a term of mockery. Point being: even something that truly, objectively does have merit [I]and objectively did good things in the past[/I] can become too toxic to retain. The legacy of "CaW/CaS" was toxic from effectively day 1. Why not dispense with it and just focus on your "strategy focus vs tactics focus" line? That has none of the baggage and, from what I can tell, [I]more[/I] utility, because it explicitly recognizes that a single game can feature [I]both things,[/I] where CaW/CaS asserts a hard binary, where any effort that leans toward "War" axiomatically moves away from "Sport." I think you may have misunderstood my terms, in which case I apologize for being unclear. I meant "dirty strategy" in the sense of "fighting dirty": doing underhanded, dishonorable, even wicked things because victory is the only thing that matters. Thus "clean tactics" is the (alleged) other side, the (alleged) expectation of fairness and gentlemen's agreements and the like. My intent was to call out that you can also have dirty tactics and clean strategy. E.g. two honorable commanders choosing not to shell retreating soldiers because that's not okay. Since I screwed up here, and sincerely apologize, what terms would you prefer for describing this skullduggery vs respect kind of thing? Earlier I used "Heroic vs Pragmatic," is that a better alternative? Alright. As noted above, I feel this is something where a lot of wounds are still pretty raw, and where there are legitimately more productive uses of our time than preserving a faulty shorthand when more specific terms exist and are if anything more useful than the alleged shorthand. [/QUOTE]
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