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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8833369" data-attributes="member: 67338">My experience is VERY different... it is MUCH more DM dependent (at least for 3e+) then system.I have 1 DM who left the group (and the state) just a bit before covid who would ALWAYS throw high level threats at low level parties (and if you didn't know it was how he DMed you would HATE his game for the number of TPKs) he did it in 2e 3e 4e and 5e (and Torg and furry pirates and rifts if that matters).In 4e he would throw level 20+ solos at level 5 players and be like "Well you should have run" or throw a choice between 2 threats with little intel unless you REALLY research them, but 1 will be level appropriate and one will be level+7 or 8 appropriate but 'if you play smart' Ironically in 5e he HATED DMing us because we would always pick the tougher fights to get the better XP (we would CAW stuff to max our chances, but the system is forgiving enough that even if we didn't we stood a chance)[SPOILER="4e game he ran at store"]This guy ran a game for 2 experienced players (one co owned store) and 1 a little experienced player and 2 newbies this was there first D&D... and drove both newbies off. He started game 1 level 1 with an orc invasion of the town they were in (you know really being orginal) but used his 'didn't hold back' mentality that had the big bads of the tribe very close to were the PCs started... and when the PCs found them doing (not safe for enworld discussion things) to locals the newbies and the little experienced player jumped in head first to be the heroes, and the 2 more experienced players had to jump in to try to help (even though they knew it was biteing off more then they could chew) and it TPKed game 1.  that night when the store owner took out the garbage he found 1 of those players had thrown out there PHB... we still have it in a group pool at the store.[/SPOILER]</blockquote>

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