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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8833754" data-attributes="member: 29398">I see them as, in a very basic way, as being quite similar.  Two steps forward, one step back, if you like; with achievement of goals not always guaranteed and certainly not always happenng in a straight line from start to finish.I agree about the sense of continuity.  However - and this is I think where we differ - for me that continuity includes within it rises and falls in fortune as time goes on.  A character might do spectacularly well in its first few adventures, then fall on hard times and lose a bunch of stuff (levels, items, whatever) over the next few, then rebound and make a comeback...etc.You, if I'm reading things right, seem to want to take out the "fall on hard times" piece.Only if the players and-or PCs care about such things.  Some do, some don't, and it can vary even within a single player or character i.e. they care about plot element X but not about Y.Leveling up isn't even always a goal.  Becoming powerful within the setting (which almost directly equates with getting rich, in most settings, much less so than just levelling up) almost always is.We run in different circles. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>