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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8834171" data-attributes="member: 67338">I can't remember what book it was (maybe the domains of dread reprint of classes, or maybe the black boarder reprint of teh PHB) but by the end of the edition it was at least strongly recommended max 1st hd...I remember this well because it caused a HUGE fight when a player rolled up a mage level 1 and had a low con (I think it was a 5) rolled a 1 for HP and the DM ruled that character died and he had to start over... and as you point out that was the last step so we had already spent some time making characters. (and it was 3d6 place as you get it and he rolled both an 18 int and a 16 wis).... he brought up the newer thing about max 1st level and that would give him 3, and another thing (maybe a splat book or maybe dragon mag my mind is foggy) that says min 1hp per level... and that was the game that never was. (too bad too it was the closest I came to seeing a paladin in play it wasn't me but Linda rolled almost exactly the min stats needed for a paly)</blockquote>