Combat Challenge and weapons with Reach

[King Nate]

If a fighter marks a target with a reach weapon that is two squares away from him and then on that targets turn, it decides to shift 1 square closer to the fighter, would the fighter be able to make an OA and stop the target from shifting 1 square closer?

and now for a trick question...what if instead of shifting (which according to the PHB triggers an OA from the fighter) the target just moves 1 square closer, would the fighter be able to make an OA? The PHB only states if the target shifts or makes attacks against others, but moving 1 square closer seems to be fine as long as it is not a shift.

Kind of doesn't make sense since the shift is suppose to be a defensive move.

 

[Psybuster]

1) The marked enemy has to be adjacent to you prior to shifting or making an attack that doesn't include you to get the CC attack, regardless of your reach.

2) The CC attack isn't an opportunity attack, but just a melee basic attack under immediate interrupt timing rules. There's two important distinctions that come about because of this, first being that you don't get the bonus from Combat Superiority, and second being you only get one immediate action each entire round so you can only get one CC attack even if you've marked more than one enemy until your turn comes up again.

 

[King Nate]

1) The marked enemy has to be adjacent to you prior to shifting or making an attack that doesn't include you to get the CC attack, regardless of your reach.

2) The CC attack isn't an opportunity attack, but just a melee basic attack under immediate interrupt timing rules. There's two important distinctions that come about because of this, first being that you don't get the bonus from Combat Superiority, and second being you only get one immediate action each entire round so you can only get one CC attack even if you've marked more than one enemy until your turn comes up again.

I knew this! It's late here in Japan so I'm not thinking straight. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[Xeterog]

also note that even if the fighter could make the CC attack on the shift (which he can't as already pointed out), it would not stop the creature from shifting. Fighters only stop movement, {edit: oops strike this part: and then only with OA's against their marked target(s).}

 

[abyssaldeath]

Minor correction. Fighter's can stop movement on any OA not just one from their marked targets.

 

[bonus]

Cool thing though, if you multiclass into Cleric and then take the Warpriest paragon path, you get Warpriest's Challenge at 16th level, which is kind of like Combat Challenge, only better, because you get to make an OA instead of a basic melee attack, so you get to add your WIS modifier. You still can't stop shifting with Combat Superiority though. But when your mark shifts or attacks someone other than you, you get to make two attacks: one opportunity and one basic melee attack.

 

[kugelkj]

you only get one immediate action each entire round so you can only get one CC attack even if you've marked more than one enemy until your turn comes up again.

You actually get an Opportunity Action on EACH OTHER combatants turn, meaning that if you had threatening reach, you WOULD get to make the OA if the creature in question moved adjacent rather than shifting even if you didn't have it marked(dumb idea on the creatures part). But you could ALSO make CC or OA's against any other creature that is adjacent to you (if they trigger) provided it was a new combatants TURN.

 

[luide]

Combat Challenge is immediate interrupt, not opportunity action, so you get only one CC per ROUND.
Technically you can do both OA and CC against same enemy, if he is stupid enough to do something that triggers both of them in same TURN (unlikely)

 

[Flipguarder]

1) The marked enemy has to be adjacent to you prior to shifting or making an attack that doesn't include you to get the CC attack, regardless of your reach.

I did not know that. Wow... that makes Warden's fury much better. I don't feel like an idiot for playing a warden now. Thanks for the info.