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Combat Challenge vs. Lightning Bolt
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<blockquote data-quote="fnuffer" data-source="post: 4723019" data-attributes="member: 83009"><p>Hey all!</p><p></p><p>I need a little help with an issue that came up during an encounter tonight:</p><p></p><p>The Fighter is adjacent to the BBEG, who he has marked. The BBEG casts Lightning Bolt. The BBEG's primary target is the ranger, the first secondary target is the warlord, and the second secondary target is the fighter.</p><p></p><p>All targets are adjacent to the BBEG, but only one OA hits. The fighter claims a Combat Challenge basic attack because the first attack against the ranger is an attack that does not include him (page 76, PHB).</p><p></p><p>The DM says that no, since the fighter is one of the secondary targets, he is included in the attack, and does not get a Combat Challenge basic attack.</p><p></p><p>Lightning Bolt says Primary Target, then Attack, then Hit, then Secondary targets, all on separate lines (page 162, PHB). </p><p></p><p>The fighter maintains that each target line is a different attack, compared to a Thunderwave, where all targets are in the target line (page 159, PHB).</p><p></p><p>The DM says that all targets in an attack power are part of the same attack, where targeted individually or as a group.</p><p></p><p>Additional facts:</p><p>The fighter has both his OA and interrupt action available.</p><p>The fighter has marked the BBEG.</p><p>The BBEG is dazed, so only gets one action.</p><p></p><p>Does the fighter get the Combat Challenge basic attack? Can you site rules (page #, etc) to support your statements?</p><p></p><p>Thanks all!</p><p> <img src="http://forums.gleemax.com/images/misc/community/progress.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /><a href="http://forums.gleemax.com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=18145302" target="_blank">http://forums.gleemax.com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=18145302</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fnuffer, post: 4723019, member: 83009"] Hey all! I need a little help with an issue that came up during an encounter tonight: The Fighter is adjacent to the BBEG, who he has marked. The BBEG casts Lightning Bolt. The BBEG's primary target is the ranger, the first secondary target is the warlord, and the second secondary target is the fighter. All targets are adjacent to the BBEG, but only one OA hits. The fighter claims a Combat Challenge basic attack because the first attack against the ranger is an attack that does not include him (page 76, PHB). The DM says that no, since the fighter is one of the secondary targets, he is included in the attack, and does not get a Combat Challenge basic attack. Lightning Bolt says Primary Target, then Attack, then Hit, then Secondary targets, all on separate lines (page 162, PHB). The fighter maintains that each target line is a different attack, compared to a Thunderwave, where all targets are in the target line (page 159, PHB). The DM says that all targets in an attack power are part of the same attack, where targeted individually or as a group. Additional facts: The fighter has both his OA and interrupt action available. The fighter has marked the BBEG. The BBEG is dazed, so only gets one action. Does the fighter get the Combat Challenge basic attack? Can you site rules (page #, etc) to support your statements? Thanks all! [IMG]http://forums.gleemax.com/images/misc/community/progress.gif[/IMG][URL="http://forums.gleemax.com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=18145302"][/URL] [/QUOTE]
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