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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Danceofmasks" data-source="post: 4723044" data-attributes="member: 70765">It does boil down to the definition of "attack," which in 4e is a nebulous region of ambiguity.About 1/3 of the time they mean an attack roll, another 1/3 of the time they mean an attack power, and the rest of the time they mean something else entirely (such as implying both primary attack rolls of a power). Hypersmurf would be much more concise than I can be on this issue, and I'm sure there are a bunch of old threads that expand on the various definitions of attack.Unfortunately, my search-fu is teh suck, so I fail at providing links to those threads. However, in this particular instance, I'm going to side with the fighter.'cos though attack can often mean an attack power (which then includes all dice rolls therein), this is a question of procedure. On P.59, you do not begin to decide which targets are secondary until primary attacks have been resolved.This allows attack powers with multiple stages to (for instance) hit one target till it's down then switch (which you can't do with say, twin strike), or in the case of lightning bolt, to zap secondary targets that are a certain distance from the primary (up to 20 squares distant from the caster if the primary is at range 10).The cost for this flexibility in decision-making is that until primary attacks are resolved, there are no secondary targets. So .. there'd be a -2 penalty for the mark as well as triggering the CC. Intent can't really be claimed here, 'cos if those OAs had killed the BG, there'd definitely be no secondary targets! For a less ambiguous case, let's say the power in question is force orb (wizard 1) instead.The BG can't claim to be targeting the Fighter (if he's an intended secondary) while resolving the primary, because there are no secondary targets if the primary misses (since the secondary attack only occurs on a hit).</blockquote>

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