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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 2433639" data-attributes="member: 23094">The S&B is actually an interesting side case (which leads, eventually, to the dual-weapon case <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ).It's possible to believe the rules mean #1 and not have a penalty apply to the average S&B fighter.The way this works is by drawing a distinction between a weapon which is wielded (as in, meant to be employed as a weapon), and one which is merely held.Most S&B fighters will never actually wield their shields - they'll just carry them.  This means that any effects dependent on a weapon being wielded would not come into play, and the classic example of this is a defending weapon, which only grants a bonus to AC when it is being wielded.  The upshot of this is that, on an AoO, a S&B wielder could not elect to make a shield bash, because he's not wielding his shield at the moment, and therefore doesn't actually threaten with it.If he wanted to potentially make AoOs with his shield, he'd need to declare (during his own round, most likely), that he's wielding his shield as a weapon - in which case he would take all appropriate TWF penalties, even if he only makes a single attack with his sword.For the record, this is the interpretation that Hypersmurf favors.</blockquote>

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