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<blockquote data-quote="Hawken" data-source="post: 4577400" data-attributes="member: 23619"><p>I don't but I wouldn't want to use that either. BAB is a poor substitute to represent wrestling skill, but without it, a Fighter could easily be outwrestled by a one-armed wizard! And an ogre could be outwrestled by a halfling who managed to roll good, even though there is no physical way someone only 3' tall and 50lbs could wrestle something 9' tall and 500lbs.</p><p></p><p>No. You try running on ice, you fall down. Its not a matter of if (dice) but when (certainty). Same with grease and any other slick surfaces. Spike stones would not only slow a person down but seems like they would prevent them from being able to even walk--sharp stones through the feet and legs would do that! The rules say no, I believe, because its just pretty much physically impossible. Yes, people can walk on broken glass or nails, but not while running full tilt. Same thing with ice or whatever, you instantly lose traction. Velocity might be the same but you're either going to be moving down (falling), off to the side (ending the charge) or gliding forward (losing momentum and ending the charge) trying not to fall. </p><p></p><p>The point of a charge is to build up enough speed that the opponent can't get out of the way of your attack. You lose that velocity, the charge ends.</p><p></p><p>Regarding charging through occupied space, I'd say if they are two sizes smaller (or smaller than that), they do not hinder the charge; and maybe even allow a free Overrun or Trample on anything in those spaces. If you charge, a cat isn't going to trip you up, its going to get squashed or punted.</p><p></p><p>About the 5' step, I'd say 5' for Small and Medium (smaller than Small does not get it). Large get 10' step, Huge get 15', Gargantuan get 20', Colossal get 40' and Titanic get 60'. Of course, I think base speed should also be proportionate in many cases. A 5' person can move 30' as a move action, so a 60' person should be able to cross a proportionate distance (360') as a move action. A 6' human has roughly a 3' stride and can move 30'. A 60' human would have about a 30' stride and so should be able to move some 300' or so. Moving only 60' would be like taking only 2 steps.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hawken, post: 4577400, member: 23619"] I don't but I wouldn't want to use that either. BAB is a poor substitute to represent wrestling skill, but without it, a Fighter could easily be outwrestled by a one-armed wizard! And an ogre could be outwrestled by a halfling who managed to roll good, even though there is no physical way someone only 3' tall and 50lbs could wrestle something 9' tall and 500lbs. No. You try running on ice, you fall down. Its not a matter of if (dice) but when (certainty). Same with grease and any other slick surfaces. Spike stones would not only slow a person down but seems like they would prevent them from being able to even walk--sharp stones through the feet and legs would do that! The rules say no, I believe, because its just pretty much physically impossible. Yes, people can walk on broken glass or nails, but not while running full tilt. Same thing with ice or whatever, you instantly lose traction. Velocity might be the same but you're either going to be moving down (falling), off to the side (ending the charge) or gliding forward (losing momentum and ending the charge) trying not to fall. The point of a charge is to build up enough speed that the opponent can't get out of the way of your attack. You lose that velocity, the charge ends. Regarding charging through occupied space, I'd say if they are two sizes smaller (or smaller than that), they do not hinder the charge; and maybe even allow a free Overrun or Trample on anything in those spaces. If you charge, a cat isn't going to trip you up, its going to get squashed or punted. About the 5' step, I'd say 5' for Small and Medium (smaller than Small does not get it). Large get 10' step, Huge get 15', Gargantuan get 20', Colossal get 40' and Titanic get 60'. Of course, I think base speed should also be proportionate in many cases. A 5' person can move 30' as a move action, so a 60' person should be able to cross a proportionate distance (360') as a move action. A 6' human has roughly a 3' stride and can move 30'. A 60' human would have about a 30' stride and so should be able to move some 300' or so. Moving only 60' would be like taking only 2 steps. [/QUOTE]
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