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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 306387" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>The Line of Effect is not impeded except for any solid object that gives total cover minus less than 1 foot square hole in the object.</p><p></p><p>So, the overturned table example does not impede unless you are hiding totally behind it (i.e. have total cover). If you are standing behind the overturned table and it covers from the waist down, the Line of Effect still targets you.</p><p></p><p>Tower Shields impede if you are totally behind them (i.e. total cover), but not if you are looking around them.</p><p></p><p>And, last I heard, persons are solid objects. Or, at least for all intents and purposes.</p><p></p><p>So, if I have a few overturned tables between me and the Lightning Bolt point of origin, I have some cover. If I have a crowd of people in armor with backpacks, I do not.</p><p></p><p>Hmmmm.</p><p></p><p>Show me in the book where it discusses that people can be cover for missile fire or reach weapons, but cannot be cover for area effect spells.</p><p></p><p>The only thing you have is that diagram and that is extremely far from conclusive since the entire section there is merely discussing Line of Effect and total cover, not partial cover at all. That entire diagram is illustrating Line of Effect and Total Cover. Nothing else.</p><p></p><p>The counter position, on the other hand, has the sentence on page 133 which states that cover adds to Reflex save versus these types of spells. And, from what you can tell from that, it means ANY cover.</p><p></p><p>Not just cover that happens to suit you. Not just Total Cover.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 306387, member: 2011"] The Line of Effect is not impeded except for any solid object that gives total cover minus less than 1 foot square hole in the object. So, the overturned table example does not impede unless you are hiding totally behind it (i.e. have total cover). If you are standing behind the overturned table and it covers from the waist down, the Line of Effect still targets you. Tower Shields impede if you are totally behind them (i.e. total cover), but not if you are looking around them. And, last I heard, persons are solid objects. Or, at least for all intents and purposes. So, if I have a few overturned tables between me and the Lightning Bolt point of origin, I have some cover. If I have a crowd of people in armor with backpacks, I do not. Hmmmm. Show me in the book where it discusses that people can be cover for missile fire or reach weapons, but cannot be cover for area effect spells. The only thing you have is that diagram and that is extremely far from conclusive since the entire section there is merely discussing Line of Effect and total cover, not partial cover at all. That entire diagram is illustrating Line of Effect and Total Cover. Nothing else. The counter position, on the other hand, has the sentence on page 133 which states that cover adds to Reflex save versus these types of spells. And, from what you can tell from that, it means ANY cover. Not just cover that happens to suit you. Not just Total Cover. [/QUOTE]
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