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<blockquote data-quote="Magus Coeruleus" data-source="post: 306408" data-attributes="member: 1704"><p>. . . . .</p><p>. . o . .</p><p>. . = . .</p><p>. . . . .</p><p>. . t . .</p><p></p><p>o is the point of origin for a fireball</p><p>t is the target character</p><p>= is a 5' wide solid wall with no hole in it</p><p>dots are just placeholders, but indicate 5' squares</p><p></p><p>My question is whether the character gets cover from the fireball.</p><p></p><p>Clearly, if she were in the square above, and right up against the wall, she would get some cover--total cover, the rules indicate.</p><p></p><p>But, since a fireball is a spread, it sweeps around the wall, and, in the above diagram, would reach the target, blasting at her from not only the sides, but the front as well.</p><p></p><p>At this point, is she getting cover from the wall? By being 5' away from the wall, does she forfeit the protection since the fireball spreads around and behind it, or is all that matters the fact that the barrier is between her and the point of origin?</p><p></p><p>b .</p><p>. d</p><p>a c</p><p>. .</p><p>o .</p><p></p><p>Now, how about this lightning bolt case, where o is the point of origin?</p><p></p><p>Does d get cover from c? Many here would say yes.</p><p></p><p>But does b get cover from a?</p><p></p><p>Does the basis for your answer regarding b getting cover from a differ from your rationale for whether the target in the previous example gets cover from the fireball, since a fireball is a spread?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Magus Coeruleus, post: 306408, member: 1704"] . . . . . . . o . . . . = . . . . . . . . . t . . o is the point of origin for a fireball t is the target character = is a 5' wide solid wall with no hole in it dots are just placeholders, but indicate 5' squares My question is whether the character gets cover from the fireball. Clearly, if she were in the square above, and right up against the wall, she would get some cover--total cover, the rules indicate. But, since a fireball is a spread, it sweeps around the wall, and, in the above diagram, would reach the target, blasting at her from not only the sides, but the front as well. At this point, is she getting cover from the wall? By being 5' away from the wall, does she forfeit the protection since the fireball spreads around and behind it, or is all that matters the fact that the barrier is between her and the point of origin? b . . d a c . . o . Now, how about this lightning bolt case, where o is the point of origin? Does d get cover from c? Many here would say yes. But does b get cover from a? Does the basis for your answer regarding b getting cover from a differ from your rationale for whether the target in the previous example gets cover from the fireball, since a fireball is a spread? [/QUOTE]
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