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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 307712" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>So, how do you rationalize Improved Evasion when the target is at the center point of the blast? Or, do you just ignore your rationalization in this case?</p><p></p><p>The point is that you shouldn't over analyze the "how would this occur in real life", rather you should stick to "how does this work with respect to the rules in the game" unless the rules of the game totally do not make sense. Here, they make enough sense that they are not jarringly intrusive on common sense. At least not for me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Since in the case of area effects and Line of Effect, <strong>everyone</strong> in the area (i.e. not behind total cover) is affected, this quote could not apply as a general rule.</p><p></p><p>The most you could do is use this quote for our side of the argument when the “covering creature” has Improved Evasion and might actually get out of the way, hence, he might not provide cover in that specific case. But this is so obscure as to be considered a house rule since this is in a section on striking the cover <strong>instead</strong> of the target which is typically inapplicable for area effects (where it strikes both regardless).</p><p></p><p>As for when they fail or make their saves, they still take damage, hence, they still provide cover. I would not put in a special rule for that. It just complicates the game forcing people to roll saves in a certain order or whatever.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 307712, member: 2011"] So, how do you rationalize Improved Evasion when the target is at the center point of the blast? Or, do you just ignore your rationalization in this case? The point is that you shouldn't over analyze the "how would this occur in real life", rather you should stick to "how does this work with respect to the rules in the game" unless the rules of the game totally do not make sense. Here, they make enough sense that they are not jarringly intrusive on common sense. At least not for me. Since in the case of area effects and Line of Effect, [b]everyone[/b] in the area (i.e. not behind total cover) is affected, this quote could not apply as a general rule. The most you could do is use this quote for our side of the argument when the “covering creature” has Improved Evasion and might actually get out of the way, hence, he might not provide cover in that specific case. But this is so obscure as to be considered a house rule since this is in a section on striking the cover [b]instead[/b] of the target which is typically inapplicable for area effects (where it strikes both regardless). As for when they fail or make their saves, they still take damage, hence, they still provide cover. I would not put in a special rule for that. It just complicates the game forcing people to roll saves in a certain order or whatever. [/QUOTE]
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