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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dr. Strangemonkey" data-source="post: 1888951" data-attributes="member: 6533">Hmm, that last bit is an odd claim to make, though I must admit that any further commentary on it probably veers to close to a discussion of religion for this forum.  Suffice it to say I've read a lot of medieval history and literature and, IME or IMR, there's a lot of calling directly on God.To be fair to saints:It works, given the real world nature of saints rather than whatever you actually want to make of the term, if:the DnD 'deities' in question could be demonstrated, by whatever means are available to the populace, to be real human beings or similarly mortal/incarnated creatures who had a demonstrable relationship to the one god in question.  Further, the saints would have had to demonstrate miraculous intervention after their death and their lives would have to stand up to some degree of moral scrutiny.In history, there were plenty of saints who now seem suspect by these standards.  St. Christopher is the most famous example.  Our earliest records of his mortal life seem to indicate that he was a dog-headed man.  But I also know of a Southern Italian saint who appears to be the prince otherwise known as Budha.  In both cases, however, the entity in question was known to be a holy mortal who had divine insight, and there were attributed miracles.If the gods in question can fit these criteria according to the knowledge of the populace that will sponsor their cult than they can make it.Otherwise they might do better to have a valar style relationship with the over-deity.  Don't know much about the history of arch-angels, but they might qualify as well.Not trying to be pedantic in a rules lawyerish sense.  Just trying to point out that there are issues with becoming a saint.  It's not just a wily nilly means to co-opt rival religions.Now religious practice, on the other hand, that's a whole nother can o worms.</blockquote>

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