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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6581773" data-attributes="member: 6689464">But it is kind of a huge tangent. Anyway, for now is AL legal and in the spotlight. Then what? it'll be replaced by the next new thing and the file buried in the WotC site. See below, my next answer to Riley.I guess that was a general survey, and not in the context of the sorcerer. But if I'm wrong i'de be glad if you gave me the link to it.When you know you won't have the answer to everything, you stop caring about having always the right spell and instead adapt like the rest of the mortals do. That is one way in which the sorcerer is more peasant than a wizard. It is a list of concepts I'm not sure I can pull off with a sorcerer anymore (anymore) soyou can show me the spells in teh sorcerer list that allows them to be done and not be gimped.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A 100% utility caster that is useful and not make your party regret they didn't bring a wizard</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A charming illusionist who makes people doubt their sense of reality</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">An effective gish</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">An eldritch artisan</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A sorcerer friend to all animals whose magic show it </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A sorcerous thief</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A caster killer sorcerer</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A hunter sorcerer. </li> </ul>All effective at all levels. Not asking for long term effects in the world or reality bending, I know these aren't possible anymore.But the wizard isn't the caster experience, it is a caster experience, but not the end all of casters. I would say the sorcerer is meant to fill only a niche, but do it well, and I'm not sure it has the tools for many niches other than blaster.No we need more so these unfilled niches can be filled. And they can be filled, by the niche dabbling wizard.  I guess this argument sounds convincing, but again the DMG on spell lists warns about not touching the warlock spell list because you could break it. No such warning for the sorcerer. (And please, please pretty please stop the name calling and the dismissiveness, what did I do to you?)       The sorcerer is a different approach to magic, magic can be mundane, easy and fun, and very easy to be irresponsible with. Or it can be something to fear, not voluntary and a curse. Neither is possible with the wizard, but the sorcerer makes magic something that could happen anywhere to anyone, something you can enjoy or something you want to get rid of. The magic is hard of the wizard isn't conductive to either. (A curse? and this curse makes you memmoruze spells every morning and prevents you from burning the spell book?)But also there are characters in pop culture that make sense as sorcerers but no wizards:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sabrina, more so in the comics and the Disney series.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Elsa</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Samantha</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Jenny (From I dream of Jenny) </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The xmen in general</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> And the wizard doesn't really fit legend Merlin or Gandalf either.</li> </ul> Twin spell at all seems like a bad idea. But I'm not sure it would be legal, self spells cannot target another creature.</blockquote>

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