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<blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 3420439" data-attributes="member: 6562">Cleric spells are great for several things:1/ Condition removal (this isn't a power-up; you're giving Wizards access to a new role, not a new attack);2/ Group-buff (this is a power-up for the whole party, if the Wizard uses these very unsexy and unexciting spells); and3/ Self-buff (no single-classed Wizard in his right mind is going to cast divine power and righteous might and charge into melee).Clerics also have inexplicable early access to several spells (like plane shift and animate dead); giving those to Wizards won't hurt things much, and should go far in making them feel like they really are the primary spellcasters.Giving a Necromancer access to the various inflict spells will make him much happier. Now he can actually repair his undead minions!- - -I suggest that you force ALL Wizards to be specialists. This reduces their spell lists significantly, and means you could still have two (or more) Wizards in a party, each contributing very differently.I suggest Priest as a prestige class. It would have reduced casting, d8 HD, good Fort &amp; Will saves, and grant you Turn or Rebuke Undead and eventually the ability to cast Cleric spells while in armor. Or your spells would gain a Focus component (holy symbol) when you're in armor.Cheers, -- N</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nifft, post: 3420439, member: 6562"] Cleric spells are great for several things: 1/ Condition removal (this isn't a power-up; you're giving Wizards access to a new role, not a new attack); 2/ Group-buff (this is a power-up for the whole party, if the Wizard uses these very unsexy and unexciting spells); and 3/ Self-buff (no single-classed Wizard in his right mind is going to cast [i]divine power[/i] and [i]righteous might[/i] and charge into melee). Clerics also have inexplicable early access to several spells (like [i]plane shift[/i] and [i]animate dead[/i]); giving those to Wizards won't hurt things much, and should go far in making them feel like they really are the primary spellcasters. Giving a Necromancer access to the various [i]inflict[/i] spells will make him much happier. Now he can actually repair his undead minions! - - - I suggest that you force ALL Wizards to be specialists. This reduces their spell lists significantly, and means you could still have two (or more) Wizards in a party, each contributing very differently. I suggest Priest as a prestige class. It would have reduced casting, d8 HD, good Fort & Will saves, and grant you Turn or Rebuke Undead and eventually the ability to cast Cleric spells while in armor. Or your spells would gain a Focus component (holy symbol) when you're in armor. Cheers, -- N [/QUOTE]

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