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<blockquote data-quote="Midknightsun" data-source="post: 4433933" data-attributes="member: 46459"><p>You don't magically pull people towards you.&nbsp; It doesn't take a compulsion effect to get someone or something to do something, really.&nbsp; Force of personality and positioning can easily accomplish this in a real fight, let alone a fantasy game.&nbsp; By the way, fantasy doesn't require every effect to have a magical component, or sci-fi would be SOL.&nbsp; There were lots of effects in prior editions that didn't allow saves, I'm not sure why this is such a hangup, other than a gamer tendency to think that their characters should be allowed to avoid any effect (especially the more mental ones) with a &quot;saving throw&quot;. In the case of monsters charging the fighter after turning tail, why doesn't it make sense?&nbsp; If their that cowardly how did they work up the gonads to attack him in the first place?&nbsp; The ability assumes that the fighter is good at hitting just the right buttons to get them to came at him.&nbsp; The rest is up to the players to imagine.&nbsp; I personally have no issues with it, but if a particular group is really wound up about it, then remove it.&nbsp; Problem solved.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Midknightsun, post: 4433933, member: 46459"] You don't magically pull people towards you. It doesn't take a compulsion effect to get someone or something to do something, really. Force of personality and positioning can easily accomplish this in a real fight, let alone a fantasy game. By the way, fantasy doesn't require every effect to have a magical component, or sci-fi would be SOL. There were lots of effects in prior editions that didn't allow saves, I'm not sure why this is such a hangup, other than a gamer tendency to think that their characters should be allowed to avoid any effect (especially the more mental ones) with a "saving throw". In the case of monsters charging the fighter after turning tail, why doesn't it make sense? If their that cowardly how did they work up the gonads to attack him in the first place? The ability assumes that the fighter is good at hitting just the right buttons to get them to came at him. The rest is up to the players to imagine. I personally have no issues with it, but if a particular group is really wound up about it, then remove it. Problem solved. [/QUOTE]

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