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<blockquote data-quote="Rl'Halsinor" data-source="post: 1602445" data-attributes="member: 19772">You don't want comliness then don't use it.&nbsp; You want comliness then use it.&nbsp; I truly don't see what the problem is one way or the other.&nbsp; Splitting hairs galore! (of course some would say we are doing just that by separating looks from the rest of the charisma stat)&nbsp;&nbsp; I mean how many house rules are out there?&nbsp; The parameters of the game are just that, parameters.&nbsp; They are tools for guidance and every DM with his or her setting can modify as they see fit.&nbsp; Consistancy is the key and as long as the DM makes clear what his/her game parameters are and the players understand and agree so be it.&nbsp; As for comliness coming out in 1st Edition Unearthed Arcana that was few years down the road from the original 3 hardbacks.&nbsp; We were already applying the comliness stat well before it.&nbsp; Like Al, it added a flavor to the game.&nbsp; One time we had a PC so ugly that right before we got into a fight with some Ogres one turned to this chracter and exclaimed, &quot;You're uglier than I am!&quot;&nbsp; Another time we had a half-elf that was so homely that NPCs were mistaking him for a half-orc.&nbsp; The real kicker was we also had a half-orc in the party that was better looking and had a better charisma.&nbsp;&nbsp; Heck, in America we have created an atmosphere where beauty/looks have become paramount separated from everything else.&nbsp; Just look at the covers of magazines.&nbsp; There are TONS of sociological and psychological studies that have verified that good looks reign in job promotions, job interviews, and overall preferential treatment across the board.&nbsp; Don't tell me when someone enters a room that is down right attractive that you are saying to yourself, &quot;Man, what a great personality.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; Believe it or not, it really doesn't matter to me how many stats are in the game.&nbsp;&nbsp; I can take or leave comliness.&nbsp; And then I say to myself, &quot;This is only a game.&nbsp; Who cares?!&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!&nbsp; &nbsp; :eek:"&nbsp; data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rl'Halsinor, post: 1602445, member: 19772"] You don't want comliness then don't use it. You want comliness then use it. I truly don't see what the problem is one way or the other. Splitting hairs galore! (of course some would say we are doing just that by separating looks from the rest of the charisma stat) I mean how many house rules are out there? The parameters of the game are just that, parameters. They are tools for guidance and every DM with his or her setting can modify as they see fit. Consistancy is the key and as long as the DM makes clear what his/her game parameters are and the players understand and agree so be it. As for comliness coming out in 1st Edition Unearthed Arcana that was few years down the road from the original 3 hardbacks. We were already applying the comliness stat well before it. Like Al, it added a flavor to the game. One time we had a PC so ugly that right before we got into a fight with some Ogres one turned to this chracter and exclaimed, "You're uglier than I am!" Another time we had a half-elf that was so homely that NPCs were mistaking him for a half-orc. The real kicker was we also had a half-orc in the party that was better looking and had a better charisma. Heck, in America we have created an atmosphere where beauty/looks have become paramount separated from everything else. Just look at the covers of magazines. There are TONS of sociological and psychological studies that have verified that good looks reign in job promotions, job interviews, and overall preferential treatment across the board. Don't tell me when someone enters a room that is down right attractive that you are saying to yourself, "Man, what a great personality." ;) Believe it or not, it really doesn't matter to me how many stats are in the game. I can take or leave comliness. And then I say to myself, [I]"This is only a game. Who cares?!"[/I] :eek: [/QUOTE]

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