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<blockquote data-quote="iblis" data-source="post: 1602501" data-attributes="member: 20429"><p><strong>A good idea</strong></p><p></p><p>Personally, I like having the Appearance / Attractiveness / Looks / Comeliness / whatever stat there, regardless of the system.</p><p></p><p>Most definitions of charisma I have come across do not include in them references to attractiveness or anything very close to it.</p><p></p><p>And after all, if you're going to put decimal figures on other abstracts, such as Intelligence and Wisdom and Charisma (particularly the last), then why not on physical beauty?</p><p></p><p>Thirdly, take a look at the many charismatic people out there, as well as charismatic leaders and figures from history, many of whom may not be / have been 'babes', but wow they can / could certainly sway an audience and/or persuade one and/or appeal to people's better or worse natures with frightening efficacy.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and then take a good look at some of the ah, 'stars' and the like who have about as much c(C)harisma as a rotting walrus, yet look a million dollars...literally too.</p><p></p><p>And for the last two points, no : Having 9-12 Charisma just doesn't cut it for the purposes of illustrating low attractiveness and high charisma, nor high attractiveness and low charisma. Some beings have / had / will have (for example) 16-18 Charisma and 3-5 Appearance, or 3-5 Charisma and 16-18 Appearance. It doesn't take much looking to find them.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, that's why I like having that stat around. And if someone can't find enough uses for it, then I guess there's a possibility the campaign may be kinda PG-M rated (because after all, in this culture, violence is more 'acceptable' than say...sex) ... Not that that's necessarily a problem, but if a DM / GM / Storyteller / whatever wants to include any of the interactions in life that are remotely affected by personal appearance, then having the proper roleplaying mechanics available for use helps a lot.</p><p></p><p>As an afterthought, Appearance is likely to set off initial reactions, but Charisma will prove the 'stayer', a lot of the time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="iblis, post: 1602501, member: 20429"] [b]A good idea[/b] Personally, I like having the Appearance / Attractiveness / Looks / Comeliness / whatever stat there, regardless of the system. Most definitions of charisma I have come across do not include in them references to attractiveness or anything very close to it. And after all, if you're going to put decimal figures on other abstracts, such as Intelligence and Wisdom and Charisma (particularly the last), then why not on physical beauty? Thirdly, take a look at the many charismatic people out there, as well as charismatic leaders and figures from history, many of whom may not be / have been 'babes', but wow they can / could certainly sway an audience and/or persuade one and/or appeal to people's better or worse natures with frightening efficacy. Oh, and then take a good look at some of the ah, 'stars' and the like who have about as much c(C)harisma as a rotting walrus, yet look a million dollars...literally too. And for the last two points, no : Having 9-12 Charisma just doesn't cut it for the purposes of illustrating low attractiveness and high charisma, nor high attractiveness and low charisma. Some beings have / had / will have (for example) 16-18 Charisma and 3-5 Appearance, or 3-5 Charisma and 16-18 Appearance. It doesn't take much looking to find them. Anyway, that's why I like having that stat around. And if someone can't find enough uses for it, then I guess there's a possibility the campaign may be kinda PG-M rated (because after all, in this culture, violence is more 'acceptable' than say...sex) ... Not that that's necessarily a problem, but if a DM / GM / Storyteller / whatever wants to include any of the interactions in life that are remotely affected by personal appearance, then having the proper roleplaying mechanics available for use helps a lot. As an afterthought, Appearance is likely to set off initial reactions, but Charisma will prove the 'stayer', a lot of the time. [/QUOTE]
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